Vostroyan Guard winning Warzone: Atlanta

[Closet Skeleton]

Was this a full scale waac event or a more fluff event?

 

That's not how grand tournaments work. You usually have about 20% of players who are really competing for the top spots and the rest of the guys just have medium optimised lists because they just want to get in games against people with similar armies and don't mind the odd time where they get early game tabled because that just knocks them down the rankings so they can fight more even battles.

 

Sometimes a only 80% super optimised list ends up on top due to lucky match ups or soft scores but there's no tournament where people don't bring cheese and few where people only bring cheese.

 

Fluff based events don't get their lists published online and have obvious names like 'narrative event' or 'campaign day'.

 

Regarding replacements for Death Riders, could you not just use Rough Riders?

 

They have worse stats, sure, but they're quite a bit cheaper.

 

A lot cheaper, since you can stuff them in your brigade and ditch those sentinels.

 

 

 

It certainly was a roundabout way maximizing Las Cannons but maybe that’s where the genius lies. After having put much effort to get Veterans to work certain ways in past editions it isn’t easy rethinking it so soon. It’s been a good lesson so far. I’ll have to second the wishing for battle reports.

 

 

Hah, maximizing lascannons.

 

Last tournament I went to I played a list with just under 50 of the things, all of them in heavy weapons squads (the infantry squads were stock). If you want to maximise lascannons you maximise lascannons and forget manticores.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Closet Skeleton

[Schlitzaf]

The Deathrider I believe are their to function as longside the Veterans to actually threatens and take backfields. Ponies are great, Plasma with Vostroyan Ponies even better.

 

But Deathriders with FNP, Ignore Terran, Two Attacks at Str4 for the Pony and 2 Base Attacks for Rider at WS 3+, make Lances less likely to bounce, and means getting stuck in is less terrible. I think instead the primary question is what kind of effective bully units that can take backfield could they be replaced with.

 

Reivars have similar stats and abilities, and you’d be left with 53 Points for a Character. If you could swing 42 by dropping Plasma on Vostroyans you’d get a JetCapt with Pack, Stormbolter and Teeth. Or you could run them as Black Templars and get the Helm.

 

The Helm in this scenerio would mean you could only waste 1 Reivars to Congo and stay in rerolls Post Charge.

[Tirak]

Officer of the Fleet has no regiment keyword. It is a Character, Infantry and Officer. It is also Astra Militarum. Therefore can take the Dagger of Tu'sakh and can, according to a complete reading of the rules of the Dagger, outflank any Infantry keyword unit in your army, regardless of regiment or as I can tell, detachment or even faction.

[Mitchverr]

Officer of the Fleet has no regiment keyword. It is a Character, Infantry and Officer. It is also Astra Militarum. Therefore can take the Dagger of Tu'sakh and can, according to a complete reading of the rules of the Dagger, outflank any Infantry keyword unit in your army, regardless of regiment or as I can tell, detachment or even faction.

edit, nvm.

 

I had a funny list, but doesnt work sadly.

 

What you could do is get him, grab a unit or solo model infantry thats amazing to go with him, then tallarn stratagem 90 conscripts with them.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Mitchverr

[Withershadow]

I would use him to bring a big mob of Bullgryns. Then have some special weapon squads in Valkyrie(s) scoot up to support them.

[Mitchverr]

I also like the idea of taking 12 kataphron destroyers of the ryza veriety and outflanking them so they can rapid fire phosphor and rip up a few pesky back line hiding vehicles with their plasma cannon stratagem.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Mitchverr

[Withershadow]

That's a fun idea but it is not legal.

[Mitchverr]

That's a fun idea but it is not legal.

 

why not?

 

Take officer of fleet, use the stratagem or w/e to add the relic to him, he has no regiment so he can take any keyword infantry unit in the army.

detatchment or auxillary ryza with servitor squad, are infantry, can go with him.

 

 

Thought that would work? I could be missing something, its funny as heck to do, though not so much something i think intended, i expect an FAQ if they notice it.

Edited November 14, 2017 by Mitchverr

[Tirak]

Yes it works. Dagger only says has to be friendly Infantry in your army, no requirement to be AM. You can drag an aux or patrol detachment along in a guard army, or if you add the guard to an Admech army you can use the Imperial Commander's Armoury Stratagem to get an AM relic.

[Halfpint100]

 

That's a fun idea but it is not legal.

 

why not?

 

Take officer of fleet, use the stratagem or w/e to add the relic to him, he has no regiment so he can take any keyword infantry unit in the army.

detatchment or auxillary ryza with servitor squad, are infantry, can go with him.

 

 

Thought that would work? I could be missing something, its funny as heck to do, though not so much something i think intended, i expect an FAQ if they notice it.

 

 

This is why we can't have nice things

[Tirak]

I've noticed there is a subset of forum users who like to get abusive to those that take the extra time and effort to peel the rules. I find it odd that guard commanders would attack other guard commanders for helping is to understand the exact measure of the rules, especially given that tourney style players are supposedly just as welcome here as hobbyists.

[Withershadow]

Right you are!  For some reason I thought the dagger was restricted to Astra Militarum Infantry, not any infantry in your army.  I don't know what out of my available Imperial allies I would want to bring (Repentia?), but that's very interesting.  This makes the Officer of the Fleet a pretty all-around useful guy.  He lets you infiltrate an infantry unit of choice onto a flank, calls down his once per game attack run, and if you have valkyries he can buff them.  Even if he dies at this point or does nothing else, he has done his job.  I have some wicked curved knives in my Kingdom Death box that I've been wanting to repurpose for bits.  Now I know who is the first recipient. :D

[Halfpint100]

I've noticed there is a subset of forum users who like to get abusive to those that take the extra time and effort to peel the rules. I find it odd that guard commanders would attack other guard commanders for helping is to understand the exact measure of the rules, especially given that tourney style players are supposedly just as welcome here as hobbyists.

 

I just feel like in this case, it is not what the dagger was intended for and was sloppy writing for GWs part. I wouldn't really call it an attack either, just lamenting the poor writing of GW and wishing they would clarify what they really meant, rather than leaving it open to abuse. The fault is not with other guard commanders at all, it is GW not expecting people to find these loopholes. 

[mertbl]

His regiment is aeronatica Imperialas. That's why in an elysian list you replace his regiment with elysians. also his keywords are "officer of the fleet" not "officer" like a platoon or company commander. Edited November 15, 2017 by mertbl

[TheShredder]

His regiment is aeronatica Imperialas. That's why in an elysian list you replace his regiment with elysians. also his keywords are "officer of the fleet" not "officer" like a platoon or company commander.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems really bad design to me to have a model with 'Officer of the Fleet' but who doesn't count as an 'Officer' for the purposes of holding a Dagger. 

[Mitchverr]

His regiment is aeronatica Imperialas. That's why in an elysian list you replace his regiment with elysians. also his keywords are "officer of the fleet" not "officer" like a platoon or company commander.

 

aeronautica imperialis isnt a regiment actually, nor is the psyker 1, at least if you go off what they are with reguards to inside the game (aeronautica is not part of the guard, it is the fleet aka a completely seperate military wing of the imperium, that was a big part of the lore and stuff, the elysians are a special case in order to give the fleet units deep strike I suspect and allow for future special rules to easily apply)

 

also, he does actually have officer now, I was wrong in that too, it changed in the codex to include officer as a specific keyword.

Edited November 15, 2017 by Mitchverr

[Tirak]

His regiment is aeronatica Imperialas. That's why in an elysian list you replace his regiment with elysians. also his keywords are "officer of the fleet" not "officer" like a platoon or company commander.

Not true. Aeronautica Imperialis isn't a regiment keyword and does not benefit from nor inhibit regimental keywords as per the regimental advisors rule. The Elysian replacement is a broad replacement, and what specifically caused the issue with Elysian Officers of the fleet granting rerolls to non flyer units until the rule was updated in the Codex.

[Halfpint100]

The officer can take the dagger and go with any infantry unit. He has no regiment, the aeronautica is a keyword. Not a regiment. Be interesting to see what combos people can come up with, considering GW forgot to make it astra militarim infantry. It is just any infantry unit from your army.... that I'd a potential dangerous combo

[duz_]

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Move the dagger discussion elsewhere folks

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[Mitchverr]

Death riders are now temp out of stock, so I guess possibly going to see more of them in the future thanks to this?

[librisrouge]

Death riders are now temp out of stock, so I guess possibly going to see more of them in the future thanks to this?

This, and the fact that they're awesome.