Get Ready For Chapter Approved

[Irbis]

 

The commissar had to change, no way was it acceptable to have effectively fearless guard all over the place. However the model the commisar kills should be taken from the battleshock deaths (so he kills 1, you roll morale twice and take the better result, if models still die, reduce the number of models that die by 1 as the commisar already killed one).

 

See, I disagree here because commissar was not a problem with almost all units but conscripts. In most situations where IG units had to roll for morale, they were already almost all dead and at best he saved 1-2 models. Which is quite acceptable and not at all OP for his price, only his interaction with conscripts needed to change, really. Changing both Commissars and conscripts, however, to the point one kills units for the enemy and the others are garbage tier as unit better in all respects with zero downsides now costs the same, was pretty inane balancing and if rumour that is was due to volume of complains is true, I can't help but shake my head in disbelief.

 

I find the commissar example as unit needing nerf funny, though, as Eldar faction got commissar rules built-in, for free, not-counterable, working on elite units where saving even one model can have vastly bigger ramifications than saving a lone guardsman - and yet, it's apparently perfectly OK and not at all OP as it wasn't touched at all in CA, eh?

[Helycon]

That would imply the razorback changes et all were already set when codex GK dropped.

 

If that was the case, why not include them in the codex?

Because codices are ALSO made in advance? The timeline is roughly the same for all books. I reckon. If you mean they should have been FAQ'ed soon afterwards, I'd agree with you. We'll see what the points values for the BA and DA codices for Razorbacks and Stormravens are. That should give us some indication of how quickly books get release after being pressed.

 

It seems like CA is made quite quickly though, since the changes are quite meta related. I just hope that they do give Grey Knights a good look when the actual balance pass happens and that it's more than just a point adjustment. 

[Snook]

 

Regardles of how well balanced a system is, there will always be a group that will abuse its weaknesses to get the slightest advantage. And no I am not saying that GWs games are well balanced.

 

Spaming the strongest units is not GWs lack of balance it is your urge to win in the possibly easiest way possible. With that logic all units would need the same profile to "balance" it.

 

Again, read what Jeske said. No one is arguing for 'same profile' strawman. People would be completely fine if the units were in at least shouting distance of each other. As it is, you can pull units out of say Eldar codex almost at random, have it go against optimized, strongest unit spam from Grey Knight or Deathwatch army, and it would still likely have a good chance of winning. Is that okay situation for you?

 

Ditto for nerfs like Commissars or Conscripts, both units were stomped on so hard they are not even remotely balanced now, their entries in codex might as well be blank space now because both units actively harm armies that take them. Again, how is that even remotely okay way to balance anything? Is asking to, I don't know, having them be weak but actually useful units too much to ask?

 

 

Do not place words in my mouth and do not declare your assumptions as proof without valid empiric evidence, thanks.

May and could are not is and are. And I clearly wrote that it is not well balanced.

 

I realy do not care what jeske writes anymore, I do not read it. It is always the same "GW is making it wrong" written as a wall of text and with an "I am superior" attitude.

 

 

@Leif adressing problems known at the time. known problems now new problems later. But what do I know as a simple publisher. A book does not get printed new simply because of some minor errors as example. There is also something called deadline. Businesses have that problem to make money and being profitable or going the way of the Dodo.

Edited November 28, 2017 by Snook

[Toomanyprojects]

I'm a thoroughly casual gamer who plays points matched games against my friends - and I honestly have not felt that anything is unbalanced in this game at all. I win some, and I lose some. this is with the supposed worst army in Deathwatch (mine) against a variety of Genestealer Cult, IG, Eldar and Chaos/DG. I've won and i've lost against them all. 

 

I'm getting chapter approved for a few extra rules for my DW, for the 'design your own land raider' rules and because of the various point changes.

[Gentlemanloser]

Shame you won't be able to use the LR rules with your mates.

[TheWolfLord]

Shame you won't be able to use the LR rules with your mates.

He didn't say they would never consider anything but points.

[Blindhamster]

sure they can. they just pay the points for the options they choose - joy of playing with mates

[betrayer41]

I can't tell you how glad I am that they raised the points cost of my FW Felblade and Scabiethrax to a ridiculous level compared to GW Baneblades and Shadow Swords... woo, man. I'm extremely thankful. Seriously, it's as if GW wants to push the player base away from FW products.

Any mention of Chaos Spartans or leviathans

[Lord Marshal]

 

 

Or too late to fix. Books are made quite a bit in advance.

 

Then what was the point of CA this early into 8th? If they effectively have to decide what to alter before there's an opportunity to see what needs changing, then CA cannot deliver on the balance changes/adaptive rules that were promised, because they cannot take any feedback on board in time.

 

 

They wanted to sell you a £20 book and still be able to slap 2017 on it, all so they can do it again next year.

Edited November 28, 2017 by Lord Marshal

[Gentlemanloser]

sure they can. they just pay the points for the options they choose - joy of playing with mates

Dont need a £20 book for that.

[DuskRaider]

 

 

I can't tell you how glad I am that they raised the points cost of my FW Felblade and Scabiethrax to a ridiculous level compared to GW Baneblades and Shadow Swords... woo, man. I'm extremely thankful. Seriously, it's as if GW wants to push the player base away from FW products.

Any mention of Chaos Spartans or leviathans

I hear Leviathans went by 30 points (at least). Nothing about Spartans yet, but I fear the worst...

[Ishagu]

No changes to Spartan or Leviathan. Grav Bombard went up.

[RapatoR]

Ok I am politely going to ask usual suspects to step out of the discussion. At this point, significant chunk of the posts are few users reinstating the same opinions over and over, and it is becoming repetive a frankly quite borig.

[DuskRaider]

No changes to Spartan or Leviathan. Grav Bombard went up.

It was the Contemptor that went up, wasn't it?

[Ishagu]

 

No changes to Spartan or Leviathan. Grav Bombard went up.

It was the Contemptor that went up, wasn't it?

Nope, the Dreads didn't go up.

The chaos Contemptor went down. Aside from the LoWs, featured FW units for marines got some nice point drops.

[TheWolfLord]

The Sicaran Punisher is looking like a good tank now and the Fire Raptor got a drop too.

[m0nolith]

Simple. You tell them to play what looks cool or seems fun rather than worry about squeezing every possible iota of point-efficiency out of the system. I know it's an alien concept for you -- I'm not insulting, I've just been here long enough to know your outlook on the game -- but you could try to step away from WAAC ideals.

Once a WAACer, always a WAACer.

Edited November 28, 2017 by m0nolith

[Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra]

 

Simple. You tell them to play what looks cool or seems fun rather than worry about squeezing every possible iota of point-efficiency out of the system. I know it's an alien concept for you -- I'm not insulting, I've just been here long enough to know your outlook on the game -- but you could try to step away from WAAC ideals.

Once a WAACer, always a WAACer.

 

Some of us managed to escape that mentality. But we got out early, before it came to dominate our destiny.

[Cap'm Heckus]

Ok, aside from points changes and Build-a-LR workshop, what other articles are in the book? Do we know of other rules changes besides the “ who goes first” change? Scenarios? New data sheets of any kind?

 

Old CA (from 3rd edition I think) had alternate army list and basically worked as “ best of” for that year’s WD articles. There’s a lot less actual rules in WD nowadays.

 

I’m sure it may have been mentioned early but it’s hard to dig out amongst all the non-relevant chatter.

 

In my day... <mumble mumble> ...off my lawn... <mumble mumble>

[Panzer]

Ok, aside from points changes and Build-a-LR workshop, what other articles are in the book? Do we know of other rules changes besides the “ who goes first” change? Scenarios? New data sheets of any kind?

 

Old CA (from 3rd edition I think) had alternate army list and basically worked as “ best of” for that year’s WD articles. There’s a lot less actual rules in WD nowadays.

 

I’m sure it may have been mentioned early but it’s hard to dig out amongst all the non-relevant chatter.

 

In my day... <mumble mumble> ...off my lawn... <mumble mumble>

Feet on the ground and changes to the character rule are in there as well.

And then there are a bunch of new missions, battlezones and expanded rules for Stronghold Assault and Planetstrike.

Some campaign rules are in there as well iirc.

[Son of Carnelian]

And objective marker tutorials!

[Cap'm Heckus]

See? That all sounds fun to me.

[Calyptra]

The objective markers content is the only thing left that might give me a reason to buy the book. I'm definitely interested in learning more about that, though at this point I suspect I'll be doing it by flipping through a copy of the book while standing in the store.

[wildweasel]

Simple. You tell them to play what looks cool or seems fun rather than worry about squeezing every possible iota of point-efficiency out of the system. I know it's an alien concept for you -- I'm not insulting, I've just been here long enough to know your outlook on the game -- but you could try to step away from WAAC ideals.

Hi excluded middle, how *you* doing?

[Panzer]

The Objective Marker thing is honestly the last thing of interest for me.

I'm fully capable of using my leftover bitz to build army themed objective marker on my own (not like army themed objective marker make a lot of sense narrative wise in most cases even). It's more something I'd expect to see in a White Dwarf article, not in something like the CA.