Primaris successor and parent chapter, played as one chapter

[Bronze Beast in the Dark]

I'm considering painting my Primaris marines as an all Primaris successor chapter. However, I would like to add some classic marine units. 

 

Because of this, I was thinking of using my Primaris chapter and the parent chapter as one chapter as far as list building goes. Would people have an issue with this?  The only difference is paint color.

 

Example: I paint my Primaris marines as Fulminators(or something else that isnt blue) and my non-Primaris as Ultras and call them all Fulminators (or Ultras) with my list building. Two distinct paint jobs, but one army with no allies.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Ashriel

[Kinstryfe]

Sounds ok to me. They're all being played as "Ultramarines", and they're all representing what the model actually is.

[Macabre Slanneshi Prince]

I can't see anyone having a problem with that.

[Claws and Effect]

If someone really wants to get mhm into rules lawyering they'd have you on a keyword technicality.

 

I can't imagine anyone doing that in a friendly game though.

 

For the record, I'm considering doing the same, but with Rift Stalkers in my case.

 

Here's a thought: magnetize the shoulder pads so you can go between Fulminators and Ultras at will.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Claws and Effect

[Hopper21]

Ive done the same with my smurfs and novamarines. Never been an issue.

[Frater Cornelius]

If someone really wants to get mhm into rules lawyering they'd have you on a keyword technicality.

 

I can't imagine anyone doing that in a friendly game though.

 

For the record, I'm considering doing the same, but with Rift Stalkers in my case.

 

Here's a thought: magnetize the shoulder pads so you can go between Fulminators and Ultras at will.

 

If someone really complains about it, take the codex and punch him with it until he understands the glory of Guilliman ;)

[Paland]

How about if you play successor of the Ultramarines and you put only Guilliman in? 

Will they get all of Guilliman buff's? including the "XIII Primarch: You can re-roll any failed hit and wound rolls for friendly ULTRAMARINES units within 6" of Roboute Guilliman."? 

They do not have the Ultramarines keyword, But then again they are successor of them and play exsatly the same with the same rules like they are Ultramarine.

[Frater Cornelius]

RAW you need to declare that your models have the <Ultramarine> keyword. Problem solved. None of anyones business how any given player paints his dudes or what his headcanon might be.

[Claws and Effect]

All of this is really only a factor for tournament play in my opinion. 

 

As long as you aren't trying to get around a rule by doing it, I don't really care what you count your dudes as. 

[Mileposter]

If someone really wants to get mhm into rules lawyering they'd have you on a keyword technicality.

 

I can't imagine anyone doing that in a friendly game though.

Think I have to disagree, here. If this were true, then some Chapter-based Stratagems/Relics/etc. would not be available to Successor Chapters. The Raven Guard stratagem, for example, states that you can only set up a RAVEN GUARD INFANTRY unit during deployment. If being a Successor Chapter changes the keyword, we're out of luck on this Stratagem.

 

I don't think the Successor 'keyword' becomes literal. I think it essentially translates that Successors (Except Crimson Fists) are their parent Chapters as far as Keywords go.

 

It's the nitpickiest of nitpicky, but I think that it translates to the situation at hand: If some models in a detachment are Ultramarines and some are Novamarines... They don't break any detachment rules because they translate to all having the 'Ultramarines' keyword.

 

My point is largely that I support multicolored Ultramarines.

[Tyberos the Red Wake]

RAI > RAW. GW tells you to use your founder's stratagem, so it's pretty obvious successors can replace founder keywords with their own. But only for Chapter Tactics and stratagems, they are explicitly locked out of relics and named characters from their founder or other chapters.

 

The way to get around this is to simply not use successor keywords at all. Since Fulminators don't even offer any bonuses over Ultramarines, you just call your Fulminators Ultramarines. Nothing in the rules says that Ultramarine keyword units must be painted in Ultramarine colors.

[Bronze Beast in the Dark]

Thanks for the replies, I feel better about proceeding now!

 

I got my idea from a list posted on the Warrhammer community page for a Raptors successor using the Raptors named character

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/29/the-nova-open-warhammer-40000-the-gauntlet-is-thrown/

 

I was wondering how people would react to the army being painted as 2 different chapters but being list as just the parent chapter on the roster. I feel better about it, the painting variety may make it more enjoyable for me to paint and make for an interesting army being fielded.

Edited November 21, 2017 by Ashriel

[Kinstryfe]

Additionally, if anyone gives you any guff, just say you're running an Ultramarines Honour Company, made up of Ultras and successors. Solid reason to run them strictly as "Ultramarines".

[Kisada]

I have my primaris painted as 3 different chapters (Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists, Black Templar) and use them as one army all using the Imperial Fists tactics and rules and no one has had an issue ... on the other hand I've gotten a lot of "that's a cool idea" type comments instead