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What firing a .950 round by a human looks like?


Kastor Krieg

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And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish).

 

S4 is pretty beefy in real world terms. A lasgun can demolish a wall and is only S3. There's a sequence in Baneblade where some characters are firing m2 equivalent rifles and they're said to be puny compared to even the protagonist's laspistol. Boltguns just look kind of puny because everyone and their mother is in power armour (which bolters aren't really designed to deal with, as they're mass reactive rather than AP unless you use specialised loads) and rocking a gene-enhanced biology that is designed to defeat most small arms fire. 

 

Fire 40 boltgun shots into some Eldar or Cultists though and watch the bits fly :)

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And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish).

 

That's because the 'average' profile in Dark Heresy is 'human' no? Bolters are massively overpowered when all they have to face is humans, but in the scale of the 41st millenium, a heavy bolter isnt all that impressive. Each round that hits still has a 1/6 chance of punching through a battle tank.

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And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish).

 

That's because the 'average' profile in Dark Heresy is 'human' no? Bolters are massively overpowered when all they have to face is humans, but in the scale of the 41st millenium, a heavy bolter isnt all that impressive. Each round that hits still has a 1/6 chance of punching through a battle tank.

 

 

Well, the reason they work well is because of Shred, but yes, I agree. Most of the time 4 + D10 is enough to do a lot of damage to your regular carapace human.

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Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

 

I have fired a 7mm Win Mag and that is enough for me.

 

Honestly I think a Mk19 40mm grenade launcher is the closest thing we have to a heavy bolter right now. Obviously a HB is higher velocity and smaller caliber but I think in terms of effect on target, a Mk19 is pretty close.

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Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

 

I have fired a 7mm Win Mag and that is enough for me.

 

Honestly I think a Mk19 40mm grenade launcher is the closest thing we have to a heavy bolter right now. Obviously a HB is higher velocity and smaller caliber but I think in terms of effect on target, a Mk19 is pretty close.

I imagine that due to the ramjet type of bolter ammo, it's more like a crossbreed of the M2HB's range and sustained fire with the splash effect of Mk19's HEDP ammo.

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That's not nearly close to a bolter. Firstly a .950 actually is far smaller of a round, shorter than a bolter. Secondly all bolts are in fact two stage projectiles with INSANE velocity as they now being described with greater frequency of being hypersonic in close quarters- which means this isn't just due to the rocket. That would take time to accelerate and would be worthless in close quarters. In order to get hypersonic velocities out the barrel you need the kicker charge to be hypersonic, and for those unaware hypersonic is classified as Mach 5 to Mach 10, or a minimum of 1,715 meters per second.

 

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Now thanks to Deathwing we have a fairly good look at what a proper bolter round looks like a detailed model and, that is significantly longer than the .950 jdj. in fact this is more comparable to autocannon rounds, and one guy I know on another forum calculated the size of the storm bolter rounds to be around 19x100mm, which explains their speed and power for being "merely" 19mm projectiles. If they were just using standard slugs without special sci fi penetrating tips, explosives, and rocket fuel this would make a bolter "merely" peer with anti-aircraft autocannons. Slap those extra tidbits on and you've got something more akin to high power chainguns, only able to fire hypersonic projectiles depending upon the load.

 

The hypersonic nature of bolters and the kicker charge also explains why humans can't use astartes bolters compared to their own even though they're the same caliber, and why astartes bolters are insanely heavy compared to standard ones.

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Would a Bolter even have recoil though? Weren't the bullets more akin to self-propelled grenades as opposed to bullets accelerated by powder?

Bolters have a more conventional propellent that gives it a high initial velocity, after it leaves the barrel the "rocket" part kicks in, and accelerates them further.

 

So bolts fired at close range still have penetrating power. (The irl example of a gyro jet guns biggest flaw was the initial muzzle velocity was pathetic)

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Wouldn’t that bullet be a bit smaller than a bolter round, let alone a heavy bolter? I guess maybe it’s not canon but what I had in my head was that a HB round is like the size of a fist.

Authors like to use "fist-sized" for heavy bolter rounds, while also claiming .95 caliber.

.95 caliber is just a hair under an inch in diameter, so the bullet is almost a ln inch cubed in volume.

Instead, think of the fact that the cartridge it's firing is longer than your palm.

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Calgar's Siege described HB rounds being 20mm, which is used in autocannons or anti-material rifles like the Mauser. We are talking from 20x82mm up to 20x128mm. The .950 JDJ uses the 20x110mm Vulcan as its parent case. In this case the author did get it right, apparently.

 

Interestingly, 20mm is also used in various gatling guns. Do we know what caliber the Punisher Gatling uses? Given that it is also S5 and deals 1 damage, probably 20mm as well, but different as it does not have the same AP.

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