Kastor Krieg Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 And now imagine that at full auto, belt fed. Yes, that's a heavy bolter.http://i.imgur.com/kFqeJnE.gifThe best part is where he MISSED with the round falling a meter short of target and the DIRT KICKUP shredded the "meaty" pumpkin targets.Brutal. Vel'Cona, Brother Lunkhead, GrandMagnus and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish). SickSix and Brother Lunkhead 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Almost a heavy bolter, given the bolt would explode upon entry to the heretical pumpkin :P Brother Lunkhead, Frater Cornelius, Arkaniss and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish).  S4 is pretty beefy in real world terms. A lasgun can demolish a wall and is only S3. There's a sequence in Baneblade where some characters are firing m2 equivalent rifles and they're said to be puny compared to even the protagonist's laspistol. Boltguns just look kind of puny because everyone and their mother is in power armour (which bolters aren't really designed to deal with, as they're mass reactive rather than AP unless you use specialised loads) and rocking a gene-enhanced biology that is designed to defeat most small arms fire.  Fire 40 boltgun shots into some Eldar or Cultists though and watch the bits fly :) Warhead01, SickSix, Harrowmaster and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017  [...] Fire 40 boltgun shots into some Eldar or Cultists though and watch the bits fly   Amen. mactire 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Best waste of twenty minutes on lunch break ever. Brings a tear to my eye (almost literally). Such sweet firepower with which to defend humanity. Thank you very much, Kastor. Cheers! SickSix and Kastor Krieg 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fortis Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I've hunted with .50 cal blackpowder and that recoil leaves a mark. I can't even imagine the bruise that monster would make. And THAT'S why the Emperor made Space Marines. :) Thanks, Kastor! Kastor Krieg 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish). Â That's because the 'average' profile in Dark Heresy is 'human' no? Bolters are massively overpowered when all they have to face is humans, but in the scale of the 41st millenium, a heavy bolter isnt all that impressive. Each round that hits still has a 1/6 chance of punching through a battle tank. Frater Cornelius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Â And yet it is still only 5/-1/1. I have a feeling that Bolt Weapons are woefully underpowered to what they are supposed to be. Dark Heresy did it right(-ish). Â That's because the 'average' profile in Dark Heresy is 'human' no? Bolters are massively overpowered when all they have to face is humans, but in the scale of the 41st millenium, a heavy bolter isnt all that impressive. Each round that hits still has a 1/6 chance of punching through a battle tank. Â Â Well, the reason they work well is because of Shred, but yes, I agree. Most of the time 4 + D10 is enough to do a lot of damage to your regular carapace human. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Awesome. Thanks for sharing. Â I have fired a 7mm Win Mag and that is enough for me. Â Honestly I think a Mk19 40mm grenade launcher is the closest thing we have to a heavy bolter right now. Obviously a HB is higher velocity and smaller caliber but I think in terms of effect on target, a Mk19 is pretty close. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Awesome. Thanks for sharing. Â I have fired a 7mm Win Mag and that is enough for me. Â Honestly I think a Mk19 40mm grenade launcher is the closest thing we have to a heavy bolter right now. Obviously a HB is higher velocity and smaller caliber but I think in terms of effect on target, a Mk19 is pretty close. I imagine that due to the ramjet type of bolter ammo, it's more like a crossbreed of the M2HB's range and sustained fire with the splash effect of Mk19's HEDP ammo. SickSix 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I've hunted with .50 cal blackpowder and that recoil leaves a mark. I can't even imagine the bruise that monster would make. And THAT'S why the Emperor made Space Marines. Thanks, Kastor! Â Blackpowder has such a nice recoil though. I imagine a bolter being like holding onto a jackhammer :P Semper Fortis 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4936876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 That's not nearly close to a bolter. Firstly a .950 actually is far smaller of a round, shorter than a bolter. Secondly all bolts are in fact two stage projectiles with INSANE velocity as they now being described with greater frequency of being hypersonic in close quarters- which means this isn't just due to the rocket. That would take time to accelerate and would be worthless in close quarters. In order to get hypersonic velocities out the barrel you need the kicker charge to be hypersonic, and for those unaware hypersonic is classified as Mach 5 to Mach 10, or a minimum of 1,715 meters per second.   Now thanks to Deathwing we have a fairly good look at what a proper bolter round looks like a detailed model and, that is significantly longer than the .950 jdj. in fact this is more comparable to autocannon rounds, and one guy I know on another forum calculated the size of the storm bolter rounds to be around 19x100mm, which explains their speed and power for being "merely" 19mm projectiles. If they were just using standard slugs without special sci fi penetrating tips, explosives, and rocket fuel this would make a bolter "merely" peer with anti-aircraft autocannons. Slap those extra tidbits on and you've got something more akin to high power chainguns, only able to fire hypersonic projectiles depending upon the load.  The hypersonic nature of bolters and the kicker charge also explains why humans can't use astartes bolters compared to their own even though they're the same caliber, and why astartes bolters are insanely heavy compared to standard ones. Brother Lunkhead and Kastor Krieg 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4937293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lunkhead Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Ouch! I can feel the bruise. Thanks for sharing... very cool  The US Army was field testing THIS in Afghanistan starting in 2010. It's the closest thing I've seen to a Bolter so far. Expense and contractor problems will probably kill it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4937404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Pretty sweet! I love being able to actually "picture" what a 1.00 caliber round looks/feels like, and the results it'd have (even if not mass-reactive) :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4937433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Would a Bolter even have recoil though? Weren't the bullets more akin to self-propelled grenades as opposed to bullets accelerated by powder? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4937717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Would a Bolter even have recoil though? Weren't the bullets more akin to self-propelled grenades as opposed to bullets accelerated by powder? Bolters have a more conventional propellent that gives it a high initial velocity, after it leaves the barrel the "rocket" part kicks in, and accelerates them further. Â So bolts fired at close range still have penetrating power. (The irl example of a gyro jet guns biggest flaw was the initial muzzle velocity was pathetic) Volt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4937723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 You can tell the guy definitely didnt expect the recoil to be as bad as it was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4937925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Wouldn’t that bullet be a bit smaller than a bolter round, let alone a heavy bolter? I guess maybe it’s not canon but what I had in my head was that a HB round is like the size of a fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4939792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 So all we just need now is for someone to take the ammo and put it in to a size up uzi pro, and we have a bolt pistol. And a probably a broken collarbone. Frater Cornelius and Noctis 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4939985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Wouldn’t that bullet be a bit smaller than a bolter round, let alone a heavy bolter? I guess maybe it’s not canon but what I had in my head was that a HB round is like the size of a fist. Authors like to use "fist-sized" for heavy bolter rounds, while also claiming .95 caliber. .95 caliber is just a hair under an inch in diameter, so the bullet is almost a ln inch cubed in volume. Instead, think of the fact that the cartridge it's firing is longer than your palm. Servant of Dante and Brother Lunkhead 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4940149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) · Hidden by Dosjetka, November 24, 2017 - Off-topic. Hidden by Dosjetka, November 24, 2017 - Off-topic. Why is there a RIAC video without the gun hippy looking dude? Â EDIT: Oh there he is. Never mind. Edited November 24, 2017 by Brother-Captain Alecto Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4940220
Frater Cornelius Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Calgar's Siege described HB rounds being 20mm, which is used in autocannons or anti-material rifles like the Mauser. We are talking from 20x82mm up to 20x128mm. The .950 JDJ uses the 20x110mm Vulcan as its parent case. In this case the author did get it right, apparently. Â Interestingly, 20mm is also used in various gatling guns. Do we know what caliber the Punisher Gatling uses? Given that it is also S5 and deals 1 damage, probably 20mm as well, but different as it does not have the same AP. Edited November 27, 2017 by Frater Cornelius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4942630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) The mechanical "CHEENK" of the Mk19 firing is what I imagine a bolt round to sound like. I was a machine gunner in the Corps and standing next to someone firing it would definitely hit you physically in the chest on full auto. It was wonderful Edited November 27, 2017 by Archaeinox SickSix 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4942700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwr Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Well, firing any heavy recoil rifle off a bench is going to surprisingly unpleasant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341517-what-firing-a-950-round-by-a-human-looks-like/#findComment-4942872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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