Charlo Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Sounds like Dante is unchanged - worst chapter master still.What makes Dante so bad? He's fast and strong, has a re roll aura.He used to be unique in that he brought an extra warlord trait to represent being such a supreme commander. Now both Azrael, Marneus (and Guilliman) all give extra command points. Dante does nothing like it... For no reason... My only thought is that he'll get a new model sooner than the others to represent his Warden of Imperium Nihilus or whatever with new rules. Edited December 1, 2017 by Charlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Death Company seem unchanged which sucks. Seems like my 2 favorite units Baal Preds and Death Company will languish this edition. Your joking right? Death Company are amazing! Bolters and Chainswords! I love them! They haven't changed from the Index. I have been using them in every game I've played weekly since 8th dropped. They're ok. Not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Sounds like Dante is unchanged - worst chapter master still. What makes Dante so bad? He's fast and strong, has a re roll aura. He's hugely expensive for what he actually brings to the army. It also sucks that they outright said hes not on the same level as a strategist compared to the other chapter masters... seriously. Chosen to lead the 2nd war of armageddon, chosen to lead all the blood angels successors in the defense of baal, chosen as basically guillimans proxy in the entire northern imperium AND he had a special rule for being a strategist in multiple codexes. Honestly I'm far less excited for the codex after the last 2 hours. Thrown Pommel, Quixus and Dolchiate Remembrancer 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Lucifer engines is a stratagem now: 6" extra movement for non-flyer non-dread vehicles, or 6+D6" extra movement for Baals. Was that for normal moves or advance only? It increases the movement statistic, so any kind of move.it is advance only, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Hand Flamers are now 1 point. Thrown Pommel and Brother Aether 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emissary Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) No changes for Mephiston unless his points got reduced. Killshot stratagem is in the codex and can be used with baal predators. Sounds like Dante is unchanged - worst chapter master still. If his points went down I think he's perfectly fine. He just costs too much right now. There's also a warlord trait that gives a 6" heroic intervention range. If he still has a basic inferno pistol instead of the proper perdition pistol, doesnt have any extra rules and didnt get a significant price drop, I dont see much point to using him - which sucks as he was my favourite character forever. We don't know if his points went down or not as far as I know. I don't think his amount of special rules makes him good or bad. He is faster than any other chapter master, has an additional attack and his axe is awesome, especially with red thirst now. There's a stratagem that lets blood angels get an extra attack on a hit roll of a 6+ in melee against chaos marines. It's on a 4+ against Black Legion. Angelus Boltguns are 3 points. 130 points for a librarian dreadnought. 80 for a furioso. 1 for a hand flamer. Edited December 1, 2017 by Emissary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 angelus boltgun reduced to 3 points. :-D Brother Aether 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aether Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Hand Flamers are now 1 point. Inferno pistols are 9 points now at least. Glad to see they're finally encouraging us to useour unique weapons...Angelus Boltgun 3 too! Edit: 9x9 Parabellum beat me to the Angelus Price! Edited December 1, 2017 by Brother Aether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 No way they actually said Dante isn't as good of a strategist!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Angelus Boltgun down to 3. Lib Dread is 130 points base. Furioso is 80 base. Edited December 1, 2017 by RedemptionNL Brother Aether 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 No way they actually said Dante isn't as good of a strategist!?!? Outright said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Are those dreads much cheaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I think this may be the most disappointed I've ever been with GW :( Dolchiate Remembrancer 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Well we don't know the weapon costs, but the base costs decreased by 20 for the libby dread, and a whopping 42 for the furioso! Brother Aether 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I dont think dread weapons changed in cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I think there are a LOT of positives and we don't know the whole picture. But some things that seem obvious to us have been fixed (cataphractii, flyers) but others (Dante) haven't. The reduced pistol costs are great though. Hand Flamers EVERYWHERE. Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 and we all crash back on earth when we realise that Codex BA is as underwhelming as we thought it would be. Huzzah! Quixus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 FLG said it's the hardest hitting cc marine army even when taking Chaos into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Honestly I'd be massively disappointed about the lack of love for all our BA specific units...if I hadn't decided to build a Primaris only army already. Now I'm just very disappointed. I guess all the good stuff was already crammed into the article last monday. :( FLG said it's the hardest hitting cc marine army even when taking Chaos into account. FLG said a lot of things about BA. I have yet to see one of it coming true. Quixus and Morticon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I think this may be the most disappointed I've ever been with GW Seriously? Man, you guys need to relax. Yeah, the Baal, DC, and Dante aren't great options. Everything else is pretty solid. The army will play differently than any other marine army. We'll be fine. I'm still super pumped. JamesI, brother_b, Morticon and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I'm not bummed out in the least. Sorry, but I'm still optimistic. Yeah, Dante is getting hosed. That being said, he has the best "fighting stats" of anybody, save RG. I'm not sure why I need fast Baal predators advancing, as they don't have assault weapons, right? Also, I don't want to get close to get locked into combat with my flame ball predator. I really wanted DC to have some form of double attack, or a special stratagem. Anyway, I'm still excited, I can't wait. +1 to wound will be a big deal. Flying Angelic Mephiston is going to crush. Panda_Saurus_Rex 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Id be happier about primaris if they'd gotten access to power swords but apparently they don't because BA usually fight hordes... clearly that's the reason. He suggested that the chainsword is better vs hordes which also isn't true except maybe vs 6+ saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 angelus boltgun reduced to 3 points. :-D I like the point drop of course, but really they should be 0. Bolt Rifles do the same thing with a longer range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Maybe dantes rules haven changed. Has his points cost? I thought they dropped Libdread by like 50pts or so? 1pt hand flamers. Things are solid middle of the road. The last codex was nids which was phenomenal as it was such an improvement over the last dexes, but nids had so much further to go. Comparatively, BA needed much less to make them better. Is black rage just a flat +1a now, not just on the charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Maybe dantes rules haven changed. Has his points cost? I thought they dropped Libdread by like 50pts or so? 1pt hand flamers. Things are solid middle of the road. The last codex was nids which was phenomenal as it was such an improvement over the last dexes, but nids had so much further to go. Comparatively, BA needed much less to make them better. Is black rage just a flat +1a now, not just on the charge? Black Rage rules are the same as Index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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