RedemptionNL Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Is dante really a master stratergist? Or is that just what we want to beleive?He's had a rule called Tactical Precision for the last 3 editions. And the Surgical Strike / Hit & Run rule. Even if he doesn't grant extra command points, I think he should at least have something like that to show he's a leader that leads from the front and not just a beat stick. Like an aura that allows BA units within 6" to fall back and charge in the same turn. I was very surprised to see the Sanguinor have self-only H&R in 8th at least. Blindhamster, Panzer and Quixus 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I agree Redeption..... He needs 1 extra rule to make him special! Im just saying for Dante rule wise, this is nothing unusual they always make him come up short somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) I agree with everyone that Dante definitely deserves more for his points cost. However, he has really good speed, reroll hit aura, middle finger to morale aura, close combat ability, and most importantly: Upon Wings of Fire. I may be alone in postulating that he's an extremely competitive HQ choice with that strategem. I'm working on a list that has him buff lascannon MSU tacs with twin-lascannon/hunter-killer razorbacks first turn while a 15 man JP DC squad uses Forlorn Fury to make their way to the enemy. Then 2nd turn Dante UWoF to buff a 9 man sternguard squad with combi-weapons (undecided on amount and loadout) in a drop pod toting Mephiston. This drop pod assault will be further supported by the FNP banner ancient and JP assault marines with special weapons to make use of Dante's hit rerolling. By the time the DC reach the line, Mephiston will Wings closer, Unleash Rage on the DC, and charge with them. I will simply need just 3CP: 1 for UWoF and 2 for Forlorn Fury. Objective nabbing will be left to tactical marines and scouts. Edit: I'm itching to playtest it when the codex drops. If he still feels too cost prohibitive then a jump pack captain with the banhammer relic may be the more efficient choice for this strategy. Edited December 6, 2017 by Zynk Kaladin Riot Earp, Are Verlo, Jorre and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Dante was traditionally never a boastful chapter master. He embodied the spirit of Sanguinius in that he often downplayed his ability to prop up others. However it was determined in the 2nd war for Armageddon that he should lead due to not only his age but his tactical genius. Had the old Armageddon site been up still, I believe the fluff was that once the Space Marines arrived, it was decided among chapter masters for him to lead, nominated by Marneus Calgar himself. I would be hard pressed to believe that a Ultramarine noted for being tactically excellent nominating Dante is no big deal. However please note that it was not enough to be nominated but also tactical execution that allowed Armageddon to be won. The story proves that Dante's leadership won the day and allowed the Imperium to reclaim the planet (for awhile at least). So fluff wise, Dante is tactically superior to even Marneus Calgar. Thus why his rules in 5th/6th and 7th allowed him to have more tactical buffs than a normal chapter master. Crimson Ghost IX, Orpheus Black Blood and Quixus 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Calgar isn't deferring command to Dante just because he is older... I don't think space marines would do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Calgar isn't deferring command to Dante just because he is older... I don't think space marines would do that... No they usually defer based on combat situations and experience. Example, in Death of Integrity the Chapter Master of the Blood Drinkers defers command to the first captain of the Nova marines because the Nova's had more current experience with the situstion at hand, even though most of the Blood Drinkers were much older. Edited December 6, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Yeah, I was just trying to imply that Calgar (and everyone else at Armageddon) viewed Dante as the best leader there, putting him in charge... not because he is just older... sounds like fine evidence that Dante is a pretty great commander :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just not on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I know! Someone was pointing out that there is no evidence of Dante being a good strategist and I was just trying to show otherwise! Though my fluff knowledge is limited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendent Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I feel like you can confidently say anybody put in charge of the second war for Armageddon is at least pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Exactly Edited December 6, 2017 by Brother Lemartes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 So, switching gears on the Dante is a great commander debate; Does anyone know when pre-orders for the BA codex will actually ship? Also, does anyone know, if I purchase one of the digital format copies, will I get it instantly? (ie, like, right now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 So, switching gears on the Dante is a great commander debate; Does anyone know when pre-orders for the BA codex will actually ship? Also, does anyone know, if I purchase one of the digital format copies, will I get it instantly? (ie, like, right now) Only really have experience of the UK but... If you ordered before the end of the weekend it's usually with you by Friday/ Saturday (they dispatch on a Wednesday normally in the UK). Digital you will get access to the moment it goes live (00:01 Saturday, I think?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendent Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 So, switching gears on the Dante is a great commander debate; Does anyone know when pre-orders for the BA codex will actually ship? Also, does anyone know, if I purchase one of the digital format copies, will I get it instantly? (ie, like, right now) My FLGS told me they'll have it in on Friday. I've heard in the past that if you ordered from the GW webstore they don't ship until the release date. The digital copies release at something like midnight in England, or least that's how it was when I picked up my FW Index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 So, switching gears on the Dante is a great commander debate; Does anyone know when pre-orders for the BA codex will actually ship? Also, does anyone know, if I purchase one of the digital format copies, will I get it instantly? (ie, like, right now) My order is already shipped. It should be at the store by 7/12/2017 won't be allowed to pick it up until 9/12 however;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Mine'll be there by Friday, I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Ghost IX Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I am guessing my online pre-order will ship Sat/Mon - So plan to have it next week. Actually hope to be surprised that it was shipped sooner. But plan for the worst, hope for the best n stuff. I got holiday things I should really do anyhow before it gets here and sucks up all my free time =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Yeah I just got an order shipment number from GW. It's schedule to ship tomorrow from Memphis, Tennessee, and so I imagine, with ground shipping, it should be here 3 business days after that. So i'm anticipating Tuesday or Wednesday next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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