Crimson Ghost IX Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Honestly if people really think the Flybrarian is overpowered then I wonder why T'au aren't a top tier army currently since the Quad Fusion Commander can just drop in and shoot 4 S8 AP-4 D1d6 at BS2+ which would be about as much damage as the Flybrarian would do against anything up to T7 with much less effort and without risking your Warlord. And they can do it with multiple ones even (and kinda have to due the rest of the Index being so overcosted). Just something that I forgot since I'm not doing the whole Commander spam and now remembered again. Telling ya man the OP cry has a first name - and it's S-M-I-T-E. Fear that some tourney WAAC fella is gonna bring a bunch of these casting ? powers a turn to get quickly to that juicy screened lynchpin target for the mortal wound spam is why the cries are there in my opinion. The punchy meltagun and force halberd are like gravy. We shall see how many points it costs *nod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings. That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Panda_Saurus_Rex, Thrown Pommel, Ranwulf and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordofmandulis Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 For some reason I can't quote on my phone, but yeah of course it would be high priority, but that always going to be a problem whatever army you play if it's more than semi elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Ghost IX Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Oh you marvelous bastid Xenith =) Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Possibly expect that to be FAQ'd? If you Pod in 9" away, you can't disembark or move closer. Would it allow you to move closer using Wings? The spell says you move as if it's your Movement phase, but it doesn't say *what* movement phase or with any quantifying points. Is a deep strike movement phase any different from a foot movement phase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palwatch Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Is Mephy an auto take now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Definitely a better option than trying to drive him close. Honestly if people really think the Flybrarian is overpowered then I wonder why T'au aren't a top tier army currently since the Quad Fusion Commander can just drop in and shoot 4 S8 AP-4 D1d6 at BS2+ which would be about as much damage as the Flybrarian would do against anything up to T7 with much less effort and without risking your Warlord. And they can do it with multiple ones even (and kinda have to due the rest of the Index being so overcosted). Just something that I forgot since I'm not doing the whole Commander spam and now remembered again. Telling ya man the OP cry has a first name - and it's S-M-I-T-E. Fear that some tourney WAAC fella is gonna bring a bunch of these casting ? powers a turn to get quickly to that juicy screened lynchpin target for the mortal wound spam is why the cries are there in my opinion. The punchy meltagun and force halberd are like gravy. We shall see how many points it costs *nod. How exactly do you plan to smite spam like that when you can cast the Wings only once per turn? Also it's not like bubble wrapping isn't a thing. The Librarian Dreadnought isn't exactly easy to place between enemy units if your opponent knows that's what you're going to try. Edited November 28, 2017 by sfPanzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Possibly expect that to be FAQ'd? If you Pod in 9" away, you can't disembark or move closer. Would it allow you to move closer using Wings? The spell says you move as if it's your Movement phase, but it doesn't say *what* movement phase or with any quantifying points. Is a deep strike movement phase any different from a foot movement phase? Same as warp-time, which is allowed after teleporting. As per the Index Chaos FAQ: Q: When I manifest the Warptime psychic power, can I select a unit that arrived on the battlefield as reinforcements this turn? A: Yes. My Poor Servitors didn't see those IW Terminators coming... Karhedron and vahouth 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Is Mephy an auto take now? No. He's just solidly good now. No aura buffs, hes just a decent psychic blender, who can now actually make it into combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Ghost IX Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Possibly expect that to be FAQ'd? If you Pod in 9" away, you can't disembark or move closer. Would it allow you to move closer using Wings? The spell says you move as if it's your Movement phase, but it doesn't say *what* movement phase or with any quantifying points. Is a deep strike movement phase any different from a foot movement phase? Oh sure rain on the parade. Opponent: Dude you actually brought a drop pod Me: Yeah Opponent: What ya got in it. Me: Well his wallet says SuperMep Opponent: Have you seen the new FAQ? Story of my life. Edited November 28, 2017 by Jolemai Swear filter dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Is Mephy an auto take now? So far, all we know is that he finds it a tad easier to wound and has a movement spell. We need to see his stats first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Possibly expect that to be FAQ'd? If you Pod in 9" away, you can't disembark or move closer. Would it allow you to move closer using Wings? The spell says you move as if it's your Movement phase, but it doesn't say *what* movement phase or with any quantifying points. Is a deep strike movement phase any different from a foot movement phase? Same as warp-time, which is allowed after teleporting. As per the Index Chaos FAQ: Q: When I manifest the Warptime psychic power, can I select a unit that arrived on the battlefield as reinforcements this turn? A: Yes. My Poor Servitors didn't see those IW Terminators coming... That's not what I mean. I know you can cast if you arrive from reserves, but can you move inside 9" on the turn you arrive without issuing a charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Possibly expect that to be FAQ'd? If you Pod in 9" away, you can't disembark or move closer. Would it allow you to move closer using Wings? The spell says you move as if it's your Movement phase, but it doesn't say *what* movement phase or with any quantifying points. Is a deep strike movement phase any different from a foot movement phase? Same as warp-time, which is allowed after teleporting. As per the Index Chaos FAQ: Q: When I manifest the Warptime psychic power, can I select a unit that arrived on the battlefield as reinforcements this turn? A: Yes. My Poor Servitors didn't see those IW Terminators coming... That's not what I mean. I know you can cast if you arrive from reserves, but can you move inside 9" on the turn you arrive without issuing a charge? CSM are doing it all the time with Warptime so I don't see why we shouldn't be able to do it with a power that has basically the same wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordofmandulis Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 If it worked any differently to wartime I'd be very surprised, only it can only affect the psyker and not a selected unit. So yeah my assumption (dangerous I know) would be yes, if you successfully cast it after dropping in via drop pod you can then move up to your 12" in any direction and ignore intervening terrain/models as per the fly key word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just thought of it....a Flybrarian means we'll have a Dreadnought that can get up ruins to charge something or sit on an objective. God my opponents will be so surprised the first time I pull that off! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 May I remind you that not a week ago you were all depressed and fearful and now look at what you got The after effects of year after year of neglect and poor meta-balance, i'm afraid. Come join us in the celebrations Oh, I am definitely happy for you guys ;) I am just struggling with my own temptation right now :P May I remind you that not a week ago you were all depressed and fearful and now look at what you got That Banner is pretty good, one of the things I am actually jealous of You aren't jealous, you're going to come home to the BA and sanguinius' embrace brother. Well, I have never been at home here, so there isn't much of a homecoming. And no, I am not planning to move :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Hes only got 4 attacks unless they changed him. Hes great for smacking a few wounds off a big target, buts hes very vulnerable! He will nees alot of support to survive the counter attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Pretty sure I got the rules right,think I just worded it badly what I meant was disembark and move up to the enemy lines 1 inch from the enemy model. Then fly 12 with wings in the psychic phase, and then charge with a reroll due to wings.That is if they would not destroy the transport where Mephiston is riding in....which is most likely one of the highest priority targets if such a strategy could mess with the opponents plans. ^^ Drop poooooooooood! Possibly expect that to be FAQ'd? If you Pod in 9" away, you can't disembark or move closer. Would it allow you to move closer using Wings? The spell says you move as if it's your Movement phase, but it doesn't say *what* movement phase or with any quantifying points. Is a deep strike movement phase any different from a foot movement phase? Same as warp-time, which is allowed after teleporting. As per the Index Chaos FAQ: Q: When I manifest the Warptime psychic power, can I select a unit that arrived on the battlefield as reinforcements this turn? A: Yes. My Poor Servitors didn't see those IW Terminators coming... That's not what I mean. I know you can cast if you arrive from reserves, but can you move inside 9" on the turn you arrive without issuing a charge? CSM are doing it all the time with Warptime so I don't see why we shouldn't be able to do it with a power that has basically the same wording. Yeah, as the 9" restriction is just when they deploy at the end of the movement phase. Warptime/ Wings just give an additional movement as if it were a normal move phase, so the only thing you can't do is go within 1" of enemies. There are no other restrictions on movement in that regard. So, assuming you roll a 5+ on 2D6 for the Psychic test, you can get a guarantee'd charge with a Pod/ Jump Pack Deploy/ TDA Teleport and Wings of Sanguinius. Edited November 28, 2017 by Charlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just thought of it....a Flybrarian means we'll have a Dreadnought that can get up ruins to charge something or sit on an objective. God my opponents will be so surprised the first time I pull that off! Wont you need to cast Wings again to get off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just thought of it....a Flybrarian means we'll have a Dreadnought that can get up ruins to charge something or sit on an objective. God my opponents will be so surprised the first time I pull that off! Wont you need to cast Wings again to get off? He meant deploying him up there and then jumping down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just thought of it....a Flybrarian means we'll have a Dreadnought that can get up ruins to charge something or sit on an objective. God my opponents will be so surprised the first time I pull that off! Wont you need to cast Wings again to get off? Yeah of course. You need to get the FLY keyword somehow. Hence why I said the Flybrarian. :P Just thought of it....a Flybrarian means we'll have a Dreadnought that can get up ruins to charge something or sit on an objective. God my opponents will be so surprised the first time I pull that off! Wont you need to cast Wings again to get off? He meant deploying him up there and then jumping down. No I didn't. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Ghost IX Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I think Jolemai is right. Seems a bit too good although letter of the law legal as far as I can tell right now. Prolly be FAQ'd I think Mephy is better when supported and healed etc. Why throw him downtown by himself outside of emergencies anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 It's no different to Warp-time in the Chaos Dex and that is fully allowed and has been since the index. It won't be nerfed. Plus it's even more restrictive than warp time as it is just the Psyker and not any other unit. vahouth and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) I think Jolemai is right. Seems a bit too good although letter of the law legal as far as I can tell right now. Prolly be FAQ'd How so? Again, CSM can pull that off with way harder hitting and more expendable units like Berzerker, Chosen, Terminators etc. We'd be limited to Psyker only. Not just that CSM can do the same thing without anyone complaining, we can't even do it as well as they do. I don't see why we should expect a nerf coming here. EDIT: damn, ninja'd by Charlo. :D Edited November 28, 2017 by sfPanzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Ghost IX Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 ^^ I guess I'm just not used to having nice things?? I see your points for sure. I hope it doesn't get the nerf, just think it is indeed a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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