Could the next primarch be Leman Russ?

[Nrthstar]

I don't have a source, but the rumors I've been hearing is that our book will come at the end of this years summer.  

[MaveriK]

If they bring back a wulfen Russ, it takes away from Redmaw. I hope they don’t go that direction! But then again they did the same with wolf helms on Deathsworn, when there was a time Russ was the only one who had it, then Ulrik....

[Ezeriel]

I as well hope they don't do a wulfen Russ, but I could see it happening.  They never did release that Redmaw model, so I could see it being recycled for Russ.  Russ also mentioned that they have the beast within but it has yet to be mastered.

 

In the heresy books it's said multiple times that Russ is putting on an act, pretending to be the savage barbarian.  I'd love to see a haggard, grizzled Russ return where he doesn't bother with that act.  We get to see behind his mask and see what changes this brings to the chapter.

[PeteySödes]

I love that idea Ezeriel but I think it probably far too nuanced based on what we've gotten.

[Cilu]

After having read the Primach story of Russ it is easy to see that he isn't the savage everyone thinks he is. Of course he is capable of going full savage and by the Emperor then he really doesn't let anything standing but it is clear that his Legion and especially the first ones are more then important to him and furthermore that he has way more depth to him then i.e. Dorn. Edited December 2, 2017 by Cilu

[Nharvey89]

Russ will be 2 models, you heard it here first. If a Betting shop would take my money for it I would put a cheeky £5 on that lol.

[Gherrick]

Considering we already got a 30k Russ when so many don't have any primarch, I would expect other primarchs to come out first. I also hope any new Russ we get will be a wizened Russ and not a wulfen-ized Russ.

[Deadnaughty]

Considering we already got a 30k Russ when so many don't have any primarch, I would expect other primarchs to come out first. I also hope any new Russ we get will be a wizened Russ and not a wulfen-ized Russ.

Except for Magnus, Mortation and Guilliman also already having a 30k version.

 

There is no correlation between the 2.

[Stoic Raptor]

Indeed - and if there is any correlation, it's that we've gotten 40k versions of Primarchs that already DO have a 30k version. ;)

[Aenar Deathclaws]

I do believe (and hope, I admit) that Leman Russ will be the next loyalist Primarch.

 

But if you're waiting for Ashes of Prospero to give you some hints, you're mistaken. I was lucky enough to have a friend of mine at the black library weekender and he brought me back Ashes of Prospero.

 

I read it and there are quite a few new things for the Space Wolves fluffwise but we can expect also some changes for the codex and maybe for the Imperium at large.

 

I'm going to spoil the content of the book, so, if you don't want to, do not read my message.

 

This book follows the events described in Inferno and the audio book "The Thirteenth Wolf"

 

This book takes place after the Crusade Indomitus. The Space Wolves are hard pressed to answer to all the calls of help and assistance that they received. Logan asks Njal to do some divinations in the hope to find Leman Russ. Njal doesn't find anything but he's drawn to Prospero.

 

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Logan decides to send a little force of Space Wolves to Prospero under Njal's command. After some skirmishes on Prospero against the cultists of Magnus and then in the network of portals, the SW of Njal find the survivors of the XIII Great Company trapped in the network of portals. In the meantime, Njal discovers the reason why Magnus has returned to Prospero : he plans to use the network of portals to rid the daemons of the necessity of a warp rift to appear in the real world. he would have an infinite army and also more powerful.

 

After some exchange of greetings, reconnaissance of their brothers and negociations, the survivors of the XIIIth, follow the SW of Njal out of the network.

There are 200 survivors with their 30k arsenal : Stormbird, thunderhawk, spartans, predators... with their Wolf lord Bulveye at the head.

 

Njal orders its cruiser to bombard Prospero. And the book ends like this.

 

So for me,we have a lot of things fluff wise :

 

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- The SW will be the only chapter to have real marines 30k with them.

- They will have a strange mix of SW 40k, SW 30k and Primaris.

- Who is going to lead the chapter : Logan or Bulveye?

- there are some clashs in the book when the marines 30k discover the Horus heresy, and the way of their brethren of 40k compared to the Imperial truth of 30k.

 

- Leman Russ is absolutely not seen nor do we have a hint of its return in the book.

 

- Some Chaos Primarchs are mentionned : Angron, Fulgrim and Lorgar

 

For me the fact that Leman Russ is not mentionned and that the book ends very abruptly is a sign that something is coming.

 

I think that we'll have a summer campaign opposing the SW against the TS for the control of these portals. Even if it's, or because maybe, a revenge for the events of Curse of the Wulfen and Wrath of Magnus.

 

It's the perfect occasion to bring back Leman Russ after the rediscovery of his 13th Company which we know, he has a particular bond with them.

 

And for us, players, we will be perfectly free to use our 40k and 30k models in our future army.

Just imagine access to Cataphractiis, tartaros, Stormbirds, Spartans...

 

So, what do you think of all this?

Edited December 3, 2017 by Aenar Deathclaws

[Guest Triszin]

Whoa, if we get proper rules for 13th co as the 30k force in 40k, with bulevye that would more that appease me.

[NightHowler]

I like it. I'm not convinced that they'll let us have 30k rules to use in 40k, but it would be nice to at least have grey slayers with 8th ed 40k rules and maybe some portal powers for our rune priests. I wouldn't be surprised if, instead of Russ, we get Bulveye. I guess we'll see.

[Guest Triszin]

I like it. I'm not convinced that they'll let us have 30k rules to use in 40k, but it would be nice to at least have grey slayers with 8th ed 40k rules and maybe some portal powers for our rune priests. I wouldn't be surprised if, instead of Russ, we get Bulveye. I guess we'll see.

 

It does make me question one thing:

If the remnants Njal found were the 13th company.

 

Then it can only be part of the overall 13th co.

 

AS there ships have been reported assisting imperial worlds, doing raids.

 

then that begs the question, is the active 13th co, with ancient ships actually being led by russ. if so then he's been active yet secret this past 10k years

[Stoic Raptor]

 

- Who is going to lead the chapter : Logan or Bulveye?

 

Why would Bulveye be the leader?  He leads one Great Company - he's a Wolf Lord, not the Great Wolf.  Logan still leads the First, and the Chapter.

Yes, I know that Chapters were but parts of the Legions back then, but there's a reason why the Wolves retained twelve Great Companies after the Heresy.

Also, the Great Wolf is chosen by the Wolf Lords - pretty sure one new arrival wouldn't tip that balance.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Ulfgrim Alvsbane

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I replied in the thread started in the BL subsection, but:

 

the 13th Company was an entire company of Wolves.

 

Inferno says 800 of the company were active in the Censure of Prospero, and if 200 of them emerge from the warp gates, thats leaves 600 unaccounted for. Now likely most of them died, but say 100-200 survived the battle in their headlong pursuit of the fleeing Thousand Sons. 

 

 

EDIT: Correction, Inferno lists 600 of the 13th Company being present, not 800. Its listed as a small detachment of the company. 

Edited December 3, 2017 by Jarl Kjaran Coldheart

[Guest]

 

For me the fact that Leman Russ is not mentionned and that the book ends very abruptly is a sign that something is coming.

 

I think that we'll have a summer campaign opposing the SW against the TS for the control of these portals. Even if it's, or because maybe, a revenge for the events of Curse of the Wulfen and Wrath of Magnus.

 

It's the perfect occasion to bring back Leman Russ after the rediscovery of his 13th Company which we know, he has a particular bond with them.

 

And for us, players, we will be perfectly free to use our 40k and 30k models in our future army.

Just imagine access to Cataphractiis, tartaros, Stormbirds, Spartans... :wub::wub:

 

So, what do you think of all this?

let me use devastation of Baal and the BA codex for some guesstimating. Devastation of Baal (DoB) stated the Primaris do not have the Red Thirst, their codex a couple weeks later said Primaris do have the red thirst. We later learned that there is another book going into more detail. So it seems GW is pushing the story rather fast.

 

Applying it to SW: The book could do the same thing "oh look no Leman Russ and Primaris may not have canine helix" then the codex will come out and will say "hey look Leman Russ and the Primaris have the canine helix". They will then say there is a book that will be released later on to explain it all. Similiar to the BAs.

 

It seems GW is rushing the codices to get them to player. Meanwhile they also seem to have issues with model production, and the codices are outpacing the lore books. This is causing some issues with people not knowing what's going on with tabletop vs lore. Hence the BA issue of "why are Primaris affected by the red thirst in the codex, but not the books."

 

As for getting 30k models and 40k and Primaris. I am stoked. This could mean that the Primaris who were more familiar with the 30k SWs, and the 30k wolves returning mean that the Primaris will be more accepted and their tactics more akin to 30k. So we may get away from wolfy mcwolf chapter and have Space Wolf chapter. A fusion of 30k and 40k to hopefully appease both groups in the future.

[MaveriK]

I can see it now: 30K wolf ask why are you wearing so much pelts, are you cold whelp? 40K wolf replies, why are you wearing a leather mask are you that ugly? 30K wolf grins and says yo momma didn’t care nor mind the mask. They both laugh and drink mjod.

 

Well the good thing is Bjorn will have some old friends to talk to, bad news is, he no longer retains the title of oldest within the chapter and or perhaps the imperium.

Edited December 3, 2017 by MaveriK

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I can see it now: 30K wolf ask why are you wearing so much pelts, are you cold whelp? 40K wolf replies, why are you wearing a leather mask are you that ugly? 30K wolf grins and says yo momma didn’t care nor mind the mask. They both laugh and drink mjod.

 

Well the good thing is Bjorn will have some old friends to talk to, bad news is, he no longer retains the title of oldest within the chapter and or perhaps the imperium.

 

If the 30k Wolves were stuck in some warp shenanigan, do they really count for oldest?

 

Bjorn is the longest serving Marine in 40k, and no tripe is going to change that.

also, on topic, I think the next topic is the Lion.

 

Fortress Monastery could be the Rock, and it would play well with Guilliman being found...do we revive the Imperium Secundus or fix this monstrosity? 

[Dantay VI]

Considering the amount of Wulfen who started appearing in the CotW and WoM, would that not make up the bulk of the remaining 400 or so 13th Company who went into the eye?

 

PS Yasss Bulveye is back, I really liked him and his rune priest buddy from the Ragnar series

 

@ Aenar Next time if you want to spoiler something then follow the written instruction inside this hidden thingy which is good for hiding spoilers 

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Saves a few potentially unhappy wolves reading something they shouldn't

Edited December 3, 2017 by Wolf_Priest _Dantay.

[Guest]

I'm a bit confused.

 

So I thought the 13th went in after the thousand sons. Meanwhile Russ left later with his companions. So if we found the 13th that doesn't mean we have a trail to Russ necessarily.

[Dantay VI]

Russ took his personal retinue with him into the Eye after being overtaken by a vision around 197 after the the Emperor was put on his golden throne.

Of his retinue, only Bjorn was left behind to take care of the Wolves.

 

According to lore, there are 2 legends: The 13th company went after the 100 sons on Prospero and were lost to time. The second is that the wulfen went into the eye during the scouring to hunt the traitors.

 

As FW have written it, only a portion of the 13th were on Prospero, so it leaves the door wide open for more of the 13th to be around during and after the Heresy, to be unleashed on the traitors during the scouring and making both stories true.

 

Valerians source page http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319689-lore-of-the-wulfen-through-the-ages/?p=4318022

Edited December 3, 2017 by Wolf_Priest _Dantay.

[Aenar Deathclaws]

let me use devastation of Baal and the BA codex for some guesstimating. Devastation of Baal (DoB) stated the Primaris do not have the Red Thirst, their codex a couple weeks later said Primaris do have the red thirst. We later learned that there is another book going into more detail. So it seems GW is pushing the story rather fast.

 

I didn't spoil everything on the book. Thorpe does tackle the issue of the Primaris for the wolves

 

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The Wolves see them as reinforcements. The Wolves Primaris do carry the Canis Helix. But for now, Logan is careful because he doesn't know if they are stronger or weaker against the Curse of the wulfen

 

 

I replied in the thread started in the BL subsection, but:

 

the 13th Company was an entire company of Wolves.

 

Inferno says 800 of the company were active in the Censure of Prospero, and if 200 of them emerge from the warp gates, thats leaves 600 unaccounted for. Now likely most of them died, but say 100-200 survived the battle in their headlong pursuit of the fleeing Thousand Sons. 

 

 

EDIT: Correction, Inferno lists 600 of the 13th Company being present, not 800. Its listed as a small detachment of the company. 

 

Do not forget

 

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The 13th and some representatives of other Great companies were trapped in the network of portals. But a lot of wulfen did exit the portals because of Magnus who wanted to use them to destroy the wolves. He was still blocking inside the SW who have resisted to the curse. Why, according to you?

Bulveye accepts to exit the portals because Njal tells him that a lot of survivors of the 13th have exit. But he hasn't tell him yet that they were victims of the Curse and changed in Wulfens

For me, we do have here what is left of the 13th.

 

I can see it now: 30K wolf ask why are you wearing so much pelts, are you cold whelp? 40K wolf replies, why are you wearing a leather mask are you that ugly? 30K wolf grins and says yo momma didn’t care nor mind the mask. They both laugh and drink mjod.

 

Well the good thing is Bjorn will have some old friends to talk to, bad news is, he no longer retains the title of oldest within the chapter and or perhaps the imperium.

 

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The reconnaissance between the two forces of SW is indeed made thanks to Bjorn who speaks with them in old fenrissian tongue. The SW from the 13th don't recognise him at first. And then, they are surprised that a young blood claw is now the most revered warrior of the Space Wolves.

 

And for the rivalry between the SW of the 13th and the SW 40k, there are indeed some. One in particular between Arjac and Vigga Deathblow, the first champion of Russ.

 

 

If the 30k Wolves were stuck in some warp shenanigan, do they really count for oldest?

 

Bjorn is the longest serving Marine in 40k, and no tripe is going to change that.

 

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The time flows strangely in the network of portals. For the SW of the 13th, they were trapped for a time between 2 weeks and one month in the portals

 

 

Considering the amount of Wulfen who started appearing in the CotW and WoM, would that not make up the bulk of the remaining 400 or so 13th Company who went into the eye?

 

@ Aenar Next time if you want to spoiler something then follow the written instruction inside this hidden thingy which is good for hiding spoilers  [hidden]  

Saves a few potentially unhappy wolves reading something they shouldn't

 

Thanks Dantay. When I posted, I was searching for the spoiler button but didn't find it. Maybe the administration of the forum should add this button. It would be easier. i diidn't knew that trick.

 

And as you can see, I have made a great use of it.

 

I think you're all mistaken with the force that Russ brought with him in the Eye of Terror. They were certainly from the 1rst Great Company which was the Company of Russ himself according to the book Inferno from FW

 

And now, I don't know where to continue this discussion. Here? Or in the topic which has been opened in the Black Library subsection? Or maybe, one of the moderati could create a topic in the Space wolves section with my first post?

Edited December 3, 2017 by Aenar Deathclaws

[Dantay VI]

Continue in both :)

 

And good use of spoilers.

 

I did not know how to do it until somebody showed me too :)

[Deadnaughty]

I can see it now: 30K wolf ask why are you wearing so much pelts, are you cold whelp? 40K wolf replies, why are you wearing a leather mask are you that ugly? 30K wolf grins and says yo momma didn’t care nor mind the mask. They both laugh and drink mjod.

 

Well the good thing is Bjorn will have some old friends to talk to, bad news is, he no longer retains the title of oldest within the chapter and or perhaps the imperium.

Plenty of 30k wolves wear pelt in the HH novels

[Guest]

I see more of 30k SW's asking 40k SW's why their armor is baby blue and not grey.