Could the next primarch be Leman Russ?

[MaveriK]

 

 

I can see it now: 30K wolf ask why are you wearing so much pelts, are you cold whelp? 40K wolf replies, why are you wearing a leather mask are you that ugly? 30K wolf grins and says yo momma didn’t care nor mind the mask. They both laugh and drink mjod.

 

Well the good thing is Bjorn will have some old friends to talk to, bad news is, he no longer retains the title of oldest within the chapter and or perhaps the imperium.

Plenty of 30k wolves wear pelt in the HH novels

maybe I should have bolded the “so much” part for your liking and understanding. I was merely highlighting the asthetic differences although subtle to some, but not so much when it was more Viking themed during 30K than the wolf-wolfy-werewolf-wolf theme of 40K. But I’m sure you knew this... Edited December 3, 2017 by MaveriK

[Guest]

I wonder if the introduction of 30k SW's into the 40k is a means to reinvent the SW's. I have read that some of the GW staff acknowledged the dislike of some of the 40k SW themes. Maybe they will use these 30k SW's to help recreate the SW primaris line in a new style. I can see them using this chance to do this as it is a way of "correcting" some of the deviance's over the past 10k years. 

[Aenar Deathclaws]

I hope also. With the 13th and maybe the return of Russ, it's sure that the identity of the wolves will change.

 

They'll experience first hand the Imperial Truth and I hope that it'll change some things.

 

And also

 

In the force of Bulveye, there are two apothecaries and three Iron Priests. Maybe, the apothecaries can help in taking care of the recruitment and the cure of the Curse. They'll have more knowledge than their equivalent of 40k. Same thing for the iron Priests. They can help for the construction and reparation of the material and vehicles of the wolves. They could repair the shields of the Fang for example. Or bring back some STC for our vehicles : sicarans, spartans...

Edited December 3, 2017 by Aenar Deathclaws

[Leif Bearclaw]

I wonder if the introduction of 30k SW's into the 40k is a means to reinvent the SW's. I have read that some of the GW staff acknowledged the dislike of some of the 40k SW themes. Maybe they will use these 30k SW's to help recreate the SW primaris line in a new style. I can see them using this chance to do this as it is a way of "correcting" some of the deviance's over the past 10k years. 

 

I sadly doubt it. Granted, this was last year, but when I spoke to Simon Grant and Phil Kelly about the Wolves at the last open day I went to, they seemed fully committed to the wolfywolfson 'actually a fantasy army' aestheic/theme for the Chapter. While it would be amazing to be wrong, I'd say the safer bet is still the modern look is staying.

 

I hope also. With the 13th and maybe the return of Russ, it's sure that the identity of the wolves will change.

 

They'll experience first hand the Imperial Truth and I hope that it'll change some things.

 

And also

 

In the force of Bulveye, there are two apothecaries and three Iron Priests. Maybe, the apothecaries can help in taking care of the recruitment and the cure of the Curse. They'll have more knowledge than their equivalent of 40k. Same thing for the iron Priests. They can help for the construction and reparation of the material and vehicles of the wolves. They could repair the shields of the Fang for example. Or bring back some STC for our vehicles : sicarans, spartans...

How? Isn't the entire point of Russ'/the Wolves story in the Heresy that the Legion/Chapter was wrong and needs to change? Why would the introduction of pre-Heresy Wolves, with the backwards viewpoint that Russ and Bjorn took pains to move the Chapter away from, cause a change? What benefit is there in regressing to the GC era mentality?

 

Why would the Imperial truth change anything? By m41/42, it's demonstrably false to anyone as widely travelled as the Space Wolves. If anything, it'll be the timelocked guys that'll have the harder time and need to change, just like the Legions did during the Heresy.

 

Why would pre-Heresy Wolf Priests know more about the Wulfen curse than m41 era Wolves?

 

Have to say, don't like these new revelations, at all (I know, you're all shocked ). Just like with WArzone Fenris, by making the next 'return of the 13th' time displaced pre-Heresy Legionaries, they've removed the thing that was so cool about the EoT era 13th. Veterans of a lost age and a secret war, who've come through hell itself, facing the worst excesses of the beast that all sons of Russ must confront, as well as the dangers of the Traitors they hunt. But they stood firm and remain unbowed and unbroken by their trials. They were the exemplars of what it meant to be a Space Wolf, now they're just another 'man out of time' piece.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

We haven't really seen any interaction between Russ and Guilliman in the HH novels that I can think of. He did not argue against the Codex (unlike Dorn) but he did just ignore it. I can imagine him doing the same again now, he will just go off and hit things leaving Guilliman to get on with the logistics and governing (which would probably suit him fine).

 

What will be more interesting is what he has been doing for the last 10K. One story is that eh went looking for something to heal the Emperor. Unless from his point of view he only entered the eye last Tuesday. 

 

He mentions not having time to even read the codex in one of the books, and kinda implies guilliman is slacking lol. And IIRC in his primarch book it implies that he got tired of arguing with his brothers and mentions that he doesn't think the lion would have let it happen.  

 

Why would Russ and Guiliman not get along?

 

Russ is one of the Dauntless, those Guiliman believes can be relied on no matter the odds (Dorn, Sanguinius, Russ, Ferrus)

 

I believe it mentions Russ as ill-tempered in the explanation of that group. Plus being reliable and easy to work with are to very different things. 

 

Pretty excited about the 30k tie ins. Bjorn will have someone to talk too who doesn't worship the ground he walks on probably has needed that for quite awhile.

[Aenar Deathclaws]

 

I hope also. With the 13th and maybe the return of Russ, it's sure that the identity of the wolves will change.

 

They'll experience first hand the Imperial Truth and I hope that it'll change some things.

 

And also

 

In the force of Bulveye, there are two apothecaries and three Iron Priests. Maybe, the apothecaries can help in taking care of the recruitment and the cure of the Curse. They'll have more knowledge than their equivalent of 40k. Same thing for the iron Priests. They can help for the construction and reparation of the material and vehicles of the wolves. They could repair the shields of the Fang for example. Or bring back some STC for our vehicles : sicarans, spartans...

 

How? Isn't the entire point of Russ'/the Wolves story in the Heresy that the Legion/Chapter was wrong and needs to change? Why would the introduction of pre-Heresy Wolves, with the backwards viewpoint that Russ and Bjorn took pains to move the Chapter away from, cause a change? What benefit is there in regressing to the GC era mentality?

 

Why would the Imperial truth change anything? By m41/42, it's demonstrably false to anyone as widely travelled as the Space Wolves. If anything, it'll be the timelocked guys that'll have the harder time and need to change, just like the Legions did during the Heresy.

 

I won't say that turning back to the Imperial truth would be wrong. It's just a way to have less mysticism with the vehicles, armor... For example :

 

the SW30k look oddly to Njal when he starts murmuring with the spirit of its armor...

 

 

Why would pre-Heresy Wolf Priests know more about the Wulfen curse than m41 era Wolves?

 

Why?

 

The apothecaries were trained during the Great Crusade. The Wolf Priests hadn't taken charge of the job of Apothecaries at this time. They were trained by Magos biologis who knew more on the conception of the Adeptus Astartes. In the lore, it is said that a lot of knowledge has been lost during the 10000 years and the priest do things as a ritual where they should understand what they are doing and act as real medic. So it's sure these apothecaries know more than the wolf priests.

And according to the book on Leman Russ, the 13th was the first affected by the Curse and its apothecaries were the first to work on it.

 

Same demonstration for the iron Priests.

 

 

 

Have to say, don't like these new revelations, at all (I know, you're all shocked ). Just like with WArzone Fenris, by making the next 'return of the 13th' time displaced pre-Heresy Legionaries, they've removed the thing that was so cool about the EoT era 13th. Veterans of a lost age and a secret war, who've come through hell itself, facing the worst excesses of the beast that all sons of Russ must confront, as well as the dangers of the Traitors they hunt. But they stood firm and remain unbowed and unbroken by their trials. They were the exemplars of what it meant to be a Space Wolf, now they're just another 'man out of time' piece.

 

I can understand but :

 

Here, as I said earlier, the old lore has been retconned. Indeed 200 veterans are out of time men. But we don't know how many time the wulfen found earlier have passed in the Eye of Terror or any other place where they were. These grizzled veterans are still legends on their own. And i do believe that they have the potential to become legends again against the forces of Chaos.

[Guest]

 

How? Isn't the entire point of Russ'/the Wolves story in the Heresy that the Legion/Chapter was wrong and needs to change? Why would the introduction of pre-Heresy Wolves, with the backwards viewpoint that Russ and Bjorn took pains to move the Chapter away from, cause a change? What benefit is there in regressing to the GC era mentality?

 

 

I'm pretty sure the whole "Russ had to leave because the legion had to change, was a fan theory on why he left. We still don't know why exactly he left. If he had to leave because the legion had to change, then why would he come back? We have already seen Guilliman think that maybe the codex was a mistake, maybe Russ will think that leaving was a mistake.

[Leif Bearclaw]

 

 

Why would pre-Heresy Wolf Priests know more about the Wulfen curse than m41 era Wolves?

 

Why?

 

The apothecaries were trained during the Great Crusade. The Wolf Priests hadn't taken charge of the job of Apothecaries at this time. They were trained by Magos biologis who knew more on the conception of the Adeptus Astartes. In the lore, it is said that a lot of knowledge has been lost during the 10000 years and the priest do things as a ritual where they should understand what they are doing and act as real medic. So it's sure these apothecaries know more than the wolf priests.

And according to the book on Leman Russ, the 13th was the first affected by the Curse and its apothecaries were the first to work on it.

 

Same demonstration for the iron Priests.

 

Not according to Inferno, where the Speaker of the Dead is a Wolf Priest in gear and approach, combining Chaplain and Apothecary. The VI Legion didn't have 'apothecaries'. But then, you've also said the Legionaries refer to Bjorn as a Blood Claw, a designation that did not exist in the VI Legion at Prospero (and probably didn't apply to him anyway). So it seems more than likely the author (Thorpe?) hasn't paid close enough attention to the Heresy era Wolf fluff.

 

Where does the lore say that modern Wolf Priest aren't 'real medics'? They clearly know enough to repair Marines, make more Marines, run the Dreadnoughts and keep the Chapter ticking over. If they only knew rituals with no underlying understanding, then they realistically wouldn't have survived the trials and tribulation of 10,000 years (what happens when things inevitably go wrong, rote ritual learning doesn't help there). Hell, it's entirely possible than modern gene-wrights are 'better' at handling Astartes physiology and gene-seed than their GC precursors, because of the smaller size of the Chapters. Ever Marine can be a carefully cultivated bespoke soldier, while the Legionaries needed to be generated quickly, with less stringent processes. Yes, a lot has been lost, but the 'modern' Imperium can't be as regressed and backward as some portrayals/interpretations would have it, otherwise they just wouldn't have lasted this long. GC-era Marines weren't some mystical superMarines that automatically overshadow later generations.

 

However, I didn't make myself clear. Given the lack of knowledge of the Wulfen in the pre-Heresy Legion, why would the Legion have a better knowledge of a problem that didn't seem to manifest in any meaningful way until after Prospero? The 'present' SWs will have actually had more time to examine the Curse (especially thanks to the 8th edition time jump, assuming this happens in the 'present'), than time refugees from a point where the Curse had hardly manifested (bad retcon there, but ho hum).

 

 

 

Here, as I said earlier, the old lore has been retconned. Indeed 200 veterans are out of time men. But we don't know how many time the wulfen found earlier have passed in the Eye of Terror or any other place where they were. These grizzled veterans are still legends on their own. And i do believe that they have the potential to become legends again against the forces of Chaos.

 

 

I know, the retcon is why I don't like the new fluff. They're taking something awesome and making it worse. Thus far the 2 versions of the new 13th Company have either been 100% tragic failures (because that's what Wulfen are, they've failed to master the beast within) or just, some guys. Given the length of the Great Crusade, these guys aren't all that 'grizzled'. It's not hard to find 'modern' Marines with 2 centuries active service (at least before recent fluff which seems to have engagements chewing through Marines like nobody's business), which is the absolute maximum for these GC vets. These guys aren't legends, they're just old. The very concept of the original 13th was legendary, and 'time locked for 10k years' (whatever they get up to now they're defrosted) really doesn't measure up for me.

 

The idea of time displaced GC Legionaries isn't a bad one per se (though arguably it would be more interesting for another Legion, as Wolves have always had a stronger link to their past, thanks to Bjorn). But it wasn't worth losing the old 13th for, imo.

 

 

 

 

How? Isn't the entire point of Russ'/the Wolves story in the Heresy that the Legion/Chapter was wrong and needs to change? Why would the introduction of pre-Heresy Wolves, with the backwards viewpoint that Russ and Bjorn took pains to move the Chapter away from, cause a change? What benefit is there in regressing to the GC era mentality?

 

 

I'm pretty sure the whole "Russ had to leave because the legion had to change, was a fan theory on why he left. We still don't know why exactly he left. If he had to leave because the legion had to change, then why would he come back? We have already seen Guilliman think that maybe the codex was a mistake, maybe Russ will think that leaving was a mistake.

 

Eh? I wasn't referring to why Russ left. I meant the whole breakdown he has after Prospero, deciding that being the executioner and friendless wasn't worth it, they were too easily deceived and all that. Starting the process of the Wolves becoming the more humanitarian and rebellious outfit they are in 40k.

[MaveriK]

...or Russ comes back to realize it’s better to find a balance between old ideologies vs current SW standards?! Instead of completely changing from executioners to humanitarians with a rebellious attitude. I like that Russ has doubts and flaws. It’s more human. If a real leader can admit his mistakes... we’ll you know the saying, I recognize my failings and be sure to correct it.

 

Also on a side note with how the current primaris chapter upgrades look, it seems more toned down which could be foreshadowing what the wolves might get for primaris upgrade pack. I’d prefer a subtle and not the so much excessive pelts. I hope they have etched runes and celtic knot-work on chest/armour upgrades. Regardless of what the future holds our wallets won’t be happy.

 

One last thing, this whole Lion and the Wolf thing is kinda silly to continue onto 40K I mean I remember in the beginning I thought it was cool but after the years it just kinda gets bland. I think it was in one book when Russ meets up with DA and he was surprised and almost glad there wasn’t a need for such trivial duels. Just shows the disconnect over time. I’m pretty sure after Terra both The Lion and Russ became best buds and patched things up. Why re-enact the feud, when in the end it was settled with oaths of friendship and brotherhood? Russ didn’t even put up a fight with the Lion, he let Johnson stab him in the heart. So why don’t they reenact that part instead? LOL it’s silly and stupid! and got lost in translation over time. I never understood that part.......

Edited December 3, 2017 by MaveriK

[Guest]

While I agree with most things Maverik says, I hope they did Norse rather than Celtic knotwork. Not only ease of painting but because Norse knotwork was designed to look like animals or a wolf and symbols such as a wolf priest symbol or iron priests emblem. Edited December 3, 2017 by Caldersson

[Stoic Raptor]

Am I the only one that's not bothered by the wolfy aesthetic of the modern Space Wolves?  Yes, I think the Viking part should be emphasized, but ulfhednar were a thing, too.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that's not bothered by the wolfy aesthetic of the modern Space Wolves? Yes, I think the Viking part should be emphasized, but ulfhednar were a thing, too.

Thing is ulfhednar were a very specialized group and never a huge part of the Vikings. They are represented as the Wulfen of the SW. The issue is when GW goes overboard with the wolf. TWC, Canis Wolfborn, Wolf Priest, wolf guard, chariots pulled by wolves etc. What was wrong with "Speaker of the Dead"? It's honestly very viking, unique, and very powerful title, what necessitated the change to wolf priest. Sure keep TWC and Wulfen but give us viking aspects back.

 

Edit: I am not opposed to fur stuff when it is done well. Ulrik and sister if silence cloaks look great.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Caldersson

[MaveriK]

I like that each great company in the 40K setting has their own unique wolf totem and are named each specifically under said totem. But I honestly prefer the 30K great companies names! Very grimdark and Vlka Fenryka instead of the excessive wolf themed again. It’s also a parallel with the current aesthetic vs the inferno/collected visions style.

 

Anyway, back on topic. I wonder if a not so wulfen Russ got a new power armoured suit since his was found during a great hunt. I hope he still has his sword! FW sculptors need to watch the show Vikings to get SW hair styles and bare heads to do them some justice! Honestly it’s been a hit or miss with the some of the heads they’ve come out with. Please no more punk haired or half spikey- half short hair styles or balding SW or others with top knots....

Edited December 4, 2017 by MaveriK

[Arentius]

How is he going to have his sword? Didn’t it get destroyed in his Duel with Angron?

[Guest]

He has 2 different swords. 1 was destroyed (krakenmaw) by Angron then he got another one (mjalnar)

 

I

Anyway, back on topic. I wonder if a not so wulfen Russ got a new power armoured suit since his was found during a great hunt.

IIRC his armor was found outside a Khorne temple. I would reason that his armour no longer was serviceable and he probably picked up some Khorne relic armor or something. So he possibly is coming back with some purified Khorne armor, most likely much stronger than his old armor. Which is sad because his old armor had a unique feature where it would exhaust cold air instead of hot air.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Caldersson

[Aenar Deathclaws]

 

 

 

Why would pre-Heresy Wolf Priests know more about the Wulfen curse than m41 era Wolves?

 

Why?

 

The apothecaries were trained during the Great Crusade. The Wolf Priests hadn't taken charge of the job of Apothecaries at this time. They were trained by Magos biologis who knew more on the conception of the Adeptus Astartes. In the lore, it is said that a lot of knowledge has been lost during the 10000 years and the priest do things as a ritual where they should understand what they are doing and act as real medic. So it's sure these apothecaries know more than the wolf priests.

And according to the book on Leman Russ, the 13th was the first affected by the Curse and its apothecaries were the first to work on it.

 

Same demonstration for the iron Priests.

 

Not according to Inferno, where the Speaker of the Dead is a Wolf Priest in gear and approach, combining Chaplain and Apothecary. The VI Legion didn't have 'apothecaries'. But then, you've also said the Legionaries refer to Bjorn as a Blood Claw, a designation that did not exist in the VI Legion at Prospero (and probably didn't apply to him anyway). So it seems more than likely the author (Thorpe?) hasn't paid close enough attention to the Heresy era Wolf fluff.

 

Where does the lore say that modern Wolf Priest aren't 'real medics'? They clearly know enough to repair Marines, make more Marines, run the Dreadnoughts and keep the Chapter ticking over. If they only knew rituals with no underlying understanding, then they realistically wouldn't have survived the trials and tribulation of 10,000 years (what happens when things inevitably go wrong, rote ritual learning doesn't help there). Hell, it's entirely possible than modern gene-wrights are 'better' at handling Astartes physiology and gene-seed than their GC precursors, because of the smaller size of the Chapters. Ever Marine can be a carefully cultivated bespoke soldier, while the Legionaries needed to be generated quickly, with less stringent processes. Yes, a lot has been lost, but the 'modern' Imperium can't be as regressed and backward as some portrayals/interpretations would have it, otherwise they just wouldn't have lasted this long. GC-era Marines weren't some mystical superMarines that automatically overshadow later generations.

 

However, I didn't make myself clear. Given the lack of knowledge of the Wulfen in the pre-Heresy Legion, why would the Legion have a better knowledge of a problem that didn't seem to manifest in any meaningful way until after Prospero? The 'present' SWs will have actually had more time to examine the Curse (especially thanks to the 8th edition time jump, assuming this happens in the 'present'), than time refugees from a point where the Curse had hardly manifested (bad retcon there, but ho hum).

 

According to the Index Astartes describing how to create a space marine, it's written that a lot of knowledge has been lost since 30k. There are a lot of rituals taking place in the same time of the implantation of the different organs and that threatens a bit the success of the operation. It's the paragraph on the risks.

 

I wasn't clear with my expression of real medic (sorry, English is not my native language). What i wanted to say is that the wolf priests of the 40k have lost knowledge and are performing rituals during the implantation when they should concentrate on their work of medic. They are indeed trained in the medical field but have lost knowledge compared to their equivalent of 40k.

 

Concerning the Apothecaries, look at the FW army list, the space wolves do have access to Apothecaries. The Speaker of the Dead replace the Primus Medicae choice. Which is not the same.

 

Concerning Bjorn : during the scouring of prospero, he was a young warrior. The term of blood claw isn't appropriate, I agree. He should have been called Fenris Blood but whatever. What Thorpe wanted to show is that he was a young warrior at Prospero compared to the grizzled veterans of the 13th. I don't think that all the readers of Black Library are experts of the lore of the Space Wolves. Where everybody knows what a blood claw is in 40k.

 

For the old 13th Co, as it has been mentionned in the thread in the Black Library topic, there are some warbands of the 13th present during the first episode of Gathering Storm and in the lore before the book Curse of the Wulfen. Seems that they were not all trapped. Some find a way to escape.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Aenar Deathclaws

[Guest Triszin]

I hope we see something thats along the lines of what Mav said.

 

I want the wolves to evolve, have 30k, 40k, primaris all merge there ideologies, and war practices and tactics. That way we will be the most diverse chapter tactics, and ideology wise, with the ability to deal with the most amount of enemies with a diversity through tactics and unit operations.

 

end up with unique hybridized units, 

 

Lone wolves that can take 30k, 40k and primaris equipment

 

options for our primaris to use 30k weapons, and tactics.

 

strange hybridized units, grey hunters that can take an amalgamation of primaris, 30k legionaries and 40k to make a crazy round house squad.

[Runefyre]

I really, REALLY hope this means Bulveye will be getting a model and rules when our codex drops.

[Bulwyf]

The only real questions are:

 

When will Russ be released for 40k

What version of Russ will we get after 10k years in the Warp: Old man Odin Russ or Wulfen McWulfen Russ.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Bulwyf

[Jackalwolf]

OK Where can I read this stories about Njal meeting 30k wolves? :)

[Guest Triszin]

OK Where can I read this stories about Njal meeting 30k wolves?

the upcoming book Ashes of Prospero, which some attendees of the BLack library weekender got there hands on

[crd26a]

The only real questions are:

 

When will Russ be released for 40k

What version of Russ will we get after 10k years in the Warp: Old man Odin Russ or Wulfen McWulfen Russ.

I'm hoping for Old Man Odin Russ but tall, broad and uber angry. Halfway between Guilliman and Magnus.  Along side him we get models of Freki and Geri that the warp has caused to grow and twist to be massive, or if not them, their direct decedents (my preference).  Then have Freki & Geri's pelts adorning Russ on the shoulders.  The Warp Wolves should stand as tall as Guilliman in this.  Would allow them to go super wolfy on the Warp Wolves while keeping a restraint on Russ, the pelts an homage to his past.

 

When he comes back he brings a ranking member of The Fallen to throw at the feet of the Dark Angles (pushing them into conflict and eventually pushing for The Lion's return) demonstrating potential influence and the need to root out issues in the Imperium.  Gives us the need to be the executioners again, setting us down that path until we eventually need to be tempered (when the Emp gets off his throne).

[Aenar Deathclaws]

I hope we see something thats along the lines of what Mav said.

 

I want the wolves to evolve, have 30k, 40k, primaris all merge there ideologies, and war practices and tactics. That way we will be the most diverse chapter tactics, and ideology wise, with the ability to deal with the most amount of enemies with a diversity through tactics and unit operations.

 

end up with unique hybridized units, 

 

Lone wolves that can take 30k, 40k and primaris equipment

 

options for our primaris to use 30k weapons, and tactics.

 

strange hybridized units, grey hunters that can take an amalgamation of primaris, 30k legionaries and 40k to make a crazy round house squad.

 

Even if it would be cool, I seriously doubt that we'll be able to mix the wargear of our troops between 30k, 40k and Primaris.

 

For me, we'll only be able to represent that by mixing our models with some FW models. This change will only affect the lore imo.

 

I would love to have a model for Bulveye. But I do prefer to have a model for an old, wisened Leman Russ. (not wulfen, please!!)

 

Bulveye is easy to do : a mkIII marine with a chain axe, a bolt pistol and a plasma pistol. That's it. Not very difficult to make.

[Guest Triszin]

 

The only real questions are:

 

When will Russ be released for 40k

What version of Russ will we get after 10k years in the Warp: Old man Odin Russ or Wulfen McWulfen Russ.

I'm hoping for Old Man Odin Russ but tall, broad and uber angry. Halfway between Guilliman and Magnus.  Along side him we get models of Freki and Geri that the warp has caused to grow and twist to be massive, or if not them, their direct decedents (my preference).  Then have Freki & Geri's pelts adorning Russ on the shoulders.  The Warp Wolves should stand as tall as Guilliman in this.  Would allow them to go super wolfy on the Warp Wolves while keeping a restraint on Russ, the pelts an homage to his past.

 

When he comes back he brings a ranking member of The Fallen to throw at the feet of the Dark Angles (pushing them into conflict and eventually pushing for The Lion's return) demonstrating potential influence and the need to root out issues in the Imperium.  Gives us the need to be the executioners again, setting us down that path until we eventually need to be tempered (when the Emp gets off his throne).

 

love the idea of RHino (the tank) sized Runic Wolf spirits of Freki and Greki.

 

I hope we get a WUlfenized One eyed Odin rune lord thor russ.

 

a wiser russ that has mastered the runes and can pluck the threads of fate, not unlike magnus.

 

would be fitting for magnus and russ to be mirrored

[Guest]

 

The only real questions are:

 

When will Russ be released for 40k

What version of Russ will we get after 10k years in the Warp: Old man Odin Russ or Wulfen McWulfen Russ.

I'm hoping for Old Man Odin Russ but tall, broad and uber angry. Halfway between Guilliman and Magnus.  Along side him we get models of Freki and Geri that the warp has caused to grow and twist to be massive, or if not them, their direct decedents (my preference).  Then have Freki & Geri's pelts adorning Russ on the shoulders.  The Warp Wolves should stand as tall as Guilliman in this.  Would allow them to go super wolfy on the Warp Wolves while keeping a restraint on Russ, the pelts an homage to his past.

 

When he comes back he brings a ranking member of The Fallen to throw at the feet of the Dark Angles (pushing them into conflict and eventually pushing for The Lion's return) demonstrating potential influence and the need to root out issues in the Imperium.  Gives us the need to be the executioners again, setting us down that path until we eventually need to be tempered (when the Emp gets off his throne).

 

 

Just make it simple and say his wolves are created due to his latent "rune priests" abilities that he has honed in the warp. I think them being as big as Guilliman is a bit too much though.