Prot Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 CP's are definitely always an issue for most PA armies, but the mileage out of those 2 CP could be amazing. I expect to see some alpha lists with Bloat Drones, Mortarion, Blight Haulers (3 model squads), Daemon Princes, etc. I can see some heavy hitting lists blowing most of their CP's before the game starts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4975019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Maybe. Alpha works the best when you can be in range to shoot or reliably charge. Really only haulers are a unit that you'd take for a genuine alpha strike, especially since theyre annoying to fight in combat. Everything else has shooting that's bad or out of range and a 28% to make the charge is not very good as a reliable strategy Mortarion you'd teleport simply because he's a fire magnet and having a 28% to charge turn one and not being shot is incredible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4975041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Wow..... Well that escalated quickly.... http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/01/40k-chaos-daemons-warp-bomb.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4975671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 That's pretty awesome, I no longer feel bad for wanting to abuse the heck out of the new daemons stuff especially with the new Custodoe codex on the horizon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4975676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The nurgle stuffs been covered quite nicely in advance of The codex coming out What are peoples thoughts Mass summonings? Allied detachments? Little bit of both? Would summoned daemons be able to make advantage of faction focus? What would you summon? Plaguebearers? Great unclean one? Plague drones? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4978783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amon777 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Three units of 3 plauge drones with a nurgle DP make it into an outrider in almost any DG list. Fast, deadly, ties up units until my poxwalkers arrive. Now I can deepstrike the whole detachment if I need to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockmaster Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Three units of 3 plauge drones with a nurgle DP make it into an outrider in almost any DG list. Fast, deadly, ties up units until my poxwalkers arrive. Now I can deepstrike the whole detachment if I need to. I plan to use the Outrider detachment but for a Flying Daemon Prince with the Suppurating Plate Relic plus the Plague Wing Psychic power backed up by two Bloat Drones with Plague Spitters & one with a Fleshmower as my plan to make my opponents horde units scared. Edited January 11, 2018 by Shockmaster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 But plague drones aren't deadly at all. They hit on 4s, so you only hit with half of the fly attacks, but the strength and Armour piercing is terrible so you really need to luck out to get that 2 damage through. And that's almost 500 points just in anti chaf infantry for 1cp. Even with the locus, you need to wound and get through armour. On average you squeeze through one wound against t5-7 3+ per unit... Herald and nurglings was by far the better detachment because it was cheap and helped with alpha strike denial. @loki summoned stuff is factionless, so youd need a detachment if you wanted the stratagems. The deepstrike alone is enough to take it if you have some big Daemonic keywords in your DG and there's some other silliness like the bell on the guo resing haulers on a 4+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hypothetically I guess if you had a Super Heavy Detachment with just Mort in it, I guess that works? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 In what way prot? To unlock some DG strats/warlord with daemons? Because he cant unlock the Daemon stuff as he's missing it from his faction keyword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 In what way prot? To unlock some DG strats/warlord with daemons? Because he cant unlock the Daemon stuff as he's missing it from his faction keyword. I was asking if using Mort as his own detachment would unlock Daemon codex strategems? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 No, I don't believe he will. His Daemon keyword isn't a Faction keyword, so he doesn't count as one in terms of filling detachments. He can make Chaos, Nurgle, Heretic Astartes and Death Guard super heavy auxiliary detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 SkimaskMohawk is right unfortunately. All non-Codex Daemon daemon units have the Daemon keyword as regular keyword instead of faction keyword. You need it as faction keyword to make it a Daemon detachment. Holy hell that was a lot of "daemon" in a short sentence... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Ah darn. Well I guess I have to start learning about this Tree dude and snail man are all about then. Lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) There's always a great unclean one (possibly with some nurglings), which you should be able to deepstrike with the 2CP daemon strat... Edited January 11, 2018 by Arkhanist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McElMcNinja Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 is there a FAQ on keywords that states something differently then the rule book where it says both sets of keywords are functionally the same? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Before you deploy, what goes into the Faction Keywords (as opposed to just Keywords) counts for what kind of Detachment you can have with it. After you deploy, then Faction and non-Faction Keywords are functionally the same for the use of Strategems, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Ah darn. Well I guess I have to start learning about this Tree dude and snail man are all about then. Lol Just take a small Battalion Detachment with 2x Nurglings, a GUO and Tree dude/snail man for like 500p. :D Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4980970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I haven't played with Nurgle daemons since... a tournament in 4th or 5th ed. I guess I'll have to try to get in touch with my inner stinky daemon at some point. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4981157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Btw, the Bell GUO and the Horn artifact from the new codex allow you to add Plaguebearers whenever you kill nearby, so it’s similar to Pox. PBs do have their 5++ and -1 to hit on top of their DR, so they may be slightly hardier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4981251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 You mean the bell adds back Blight haulers to the unit on a 4+ ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4981380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Is that actually true about reviving Blight haulers??? Seems pretty good if true though wasn't a lot of Daemon abilities only limited to units taken from the daemon codex???? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4981601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) None of them are limited to units from the codex, the only restrictions are Daemon, Vehicle and Monster depending on the powers (and of course God specific). We don't know the wording for the bell, but so far only the trees don't benefit Monsters and Vehicles; the bell probably won't have the restriction as they're the only Daemon-Vehicle-Unit. Will update after I can download the new book. EDIT: Totally doable, only Nurgle Daemons as a restriction. Rotigus has a 7" 2d6 S-User AP-3 re-roll wound flamer too. Nasty. EDIT 2: Oh snap guys, 2CP strat to heal a Nurgle Daemon unit for D3. Another source of heals for morty aside from Fleshy Abundance Edited January 13, 2018 by SkimaskMohawk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4981613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 So with an FAQ released today the much anticipated "Summon Mortarion for 2CP" stratagem has been made invalid. FAQs Q: When a Stratagem from Codex: Chaos Daemons uses the Daemon keyword, can it be used to affect any unit with the Daemon keyword, or only units with the Daemon Faction keyword? A: These Stratagems can only affect units with the Daemon Faction keyword. In addition to this, a lot of units that had DAEMON in the faction keywords, have now moved it to the lower line of keywords to prevent abuse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4989949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I really dislike how heavy handed that nerf is. Deepstriking super heavies is dumb I agree, regardless of guilliman being way more survivable with no cp spent. But all strats needing the Daemon faction if it calls for a Daemon target? There's only warp surge on mortarion and possibly the heal, the rest that could actually be applied to csm Daemon units are really niche and situational. We can't get situational strats but custodes are about to be able to give mass 5++ without even being in a dedicated detachment... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341892-death-guard-and-daemons/page/2/#findComment-4989996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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