Scribe Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 My boy Seth, would never weep. :p Son of Carnelian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4974537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 My boy Seth, would never weep. :p Bawling? No way. Slaughter his enemies with a few manly tears on his face? Sure, I could see that. I mean, how would you feel if you thought your dad was dead and he popped up unexpectedly to kick some heretic/xenos/daemon buttocks at your side? Son of Carnelian and BitsHammer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4974597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 How could sanguinius's return be explained? GW Executive: So I've always wanted to have enough money to afford a cocaine habit and dress up like Crockett from Miami Vice...how about we release that angel guy into 40k. BLACK BLΠFLY, BitsHammer, D3L and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4974670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just wanted to point out that weeping used to be manly as feck (shows up in Authurian legends for example). It's only in the last hundred years or so that it's turned into something that we make fun of guys for doing. So yeah, Seth shedding manly tears as emotion overcomes him would be manly enough to get a pass. I mean it's not like he's watching romantic comedies and crying over the obligatory sad scene. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just wanted to point out that weeping used to be manly as feck (shows up in Authurian legends for example). It's only in the last hundred years or so that it's turned into something that we make fun of guys for doing. So yeah, Seth shedding manly tears as emotion overcomes him would be manly enough to get a pass. I mean it's not like he's watching romantic comedies and crying over the obligatory sad scene. Look, my room has gotten dusty when I've read a few of ADBs books...but Sanguinius would bring different tears...angry ones. :p Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just wanted to point out that weeping used to be manly as feck (shows up in Authurian legends for example). It's only in the last hundred years or so that it's turned into something that we make fun of guys for doing. So yeah, Seth shedding manly tears as emotion overcomes him would be manly enough to get a pass. I mean it's not like he's watching romantic comedies and crying over the obligatory sad scene. Look, my room has gotten dusty when I've read a few of ADBs books...but Sanguinius would bring different tears...angry ones. At least "psychic manifestation of his son's rage" would work better than any attempt to bring back Ferrus. I mean his skull is being used as a recaff pot at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Just wanted to point out that weeping used to be manly as feck (shows up in Authurian legends for example). It's only in the last hundred years or so that it's turned into something that we make fun of guys for doing. So yeah, Seth shedding manly tears as emotion overcomes him would be manly enough to get a pass. I mean it's not like he's watching romantic comedies and crying over the obligatory sad scene. Look, my room has gotten dusty when I've read a few of ADBs books...but Sanguinius would bring different tears...angry ones. At least "psychic manifestation of his son's rage" would work better than any attempt to bring back Ferrus. I mean his skull is being used as a recaff pot at this point. 'Work' in the context of the universe as we know it (40K that is) sure. I just refuse to accept it would make the setting better. There are other seeded 'Primarch will return when...' events, use THOSE. Leave the dead, dead. Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Considering the nature of the Primarchs and that Vulkan was/is immortal, the death of a Primarch might not even be as permanent as we thought. Or we could just go "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" and pull them straight from 30k via warp shenanigans leading to there being two of everyone, but that seems too Orky to fly for the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 In a surprise to nobody, I'm not a huge fan of the Vulkan (Lives!) story arc either :p Ferrus, and the other 2 lost Primarchs, would seem to put some doubt into 'Primarch's are Perpetuals' anyway. Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 In a surprise to nobody, I'm not a huge fan of the Vulkan (Lives!) story arc either Ferrus, and the other 2 lost Primarchs, would seem to put some doubt into 'Primarch's are Perpetuals' anyway. On the flipside Guilliman recovering as well has he has (with just a smidge of Eldar help) shows that they can be pulled back from the brink more than we should expect. Plus considering that Daemon Primarchs stand over more Daemon Princes, it can be argued that even their souls are enhanced meaning there are warp tainted ways to drag them back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Rob was never dead, and this new Eldar chick had comical 'for the plot' powers that had no business existing anyway. In the end, yeah GW can do whatever, but I would rather they not. Legionnaire of the VIIth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4975425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Vulkan was permanently killed by John Had Artellus not traded his life for Vulkan, he would have stayed dead Would anybody be okay if Dante, Arkios and Seth sacrificed their lives to bring back a weakened Sanguinius? The Iron Hands Chapter Master along with several CMs of Successor Chapters for a much weaker Ferrus Manus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 The whole premise is idiotic so no, I wouldn't take those trades. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Let dead Primarchs stay dead. Bring Emps back. Edited January 7, 2018 by Sete Slave to Darkness and RedwaKe 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Only once he dies, and is reborn as the 5th Chaos God, the Starchild. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Vulkan was permanently killed by John Had Artellus not traded his life for Vulkan, he would have stayed dead Would anybody be okay if Dante, Arkios and Seth sacrificed their lives to bring back a weakened Sanguinius? The Iron Hands Chapter Master along with several CMs of Successor Chapters for a much weaker Ferrus Manus? Wasn't there a specific thread for these theories and "What ifs" of yours? Can't really see how Ferrus Manus and his ressurection are relevant here. On topic, I wouldn't be so disinclined to see Sanguinius return, but seeing as he is sort of the Messianic figure of the setting, I'd like to have his return be much more mystical/mythological than any of the other primarchs. Say, have him being reborn/brought back to life through the will of the Emperor that is directed by all the faith and prayers put into Sanguinius on a dayly/yearly basis (Isn't Sanguinala one of, if not the most important celebration for the Imperium of Mankind). Have him rise back from the dead and lead all the chapters derived from his blood on a terrible warpath against the enemies of mankind, and maybe put some more emphasise on Sanguinius' vampiric/dark nature. Marshal Rohr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Only once he dies, and is reborn as the 5th Chaos God, the Starchild. :)Just as planned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I'd properly flip out if that happened, full on hands to face screaming. Similar to when FW released the Warlord. :D Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandion40 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I’m divided on Sanguinius possibly returning, in my opinion they haven’t done him justice in the Heresy novels so far but there’s still the siege of Terra left. If he did return I would do it as a warp ghost/ loyalist Deamon Primarch like the sanguinor or Celestine, but I wouldn’t link him directly to the Emperor so as not to step on Celestines toes. Sanguinius and his sons always had a sort of psychic link so I’d say that link survived his death, it is that link that gives the BA the Black Rage but it also keeps Sanguinius soul whole and strong in the warp. However the BA Primaris don’t have that link so I’d do an event or novel where Sanguinius soul is fading because normal marines are being replaced by Primaris, Sanguinius would of course be willing to fade away to save his sons but the Primaris find out and willingly embrace the connection to Sanguinius resulting in them getting the Black Rage but that strengthens Sanguinius soul to such an extent he is able to manifest in material space when his sons are in desperate need. What I really don’t want is a full and proper living resurrection, that would feel a bit cheep. Ultimately for me if they tell a good story they can do anything, bring back Sanguinius, Horus, Ferrus or Curze. Make Lorgar a loyalist anything. Some of those things are a lot harder to do convincingly than others, a few are almost impossible but if the story was good enough I’d accept it. Riconas and BitsHammer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4976821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 There's a line in "The Board is Set" where Revelation (the Emperor) is considering the Iron General after his death (Ferrus Manus), and states that "perhaps I'll fix that later when I have the time", and although there's the chance that he's speaking only about the shattered piece, there's the implication that he's talking about Ferrus himself. If this truly is the case, then even proper death may not be the end for the Primarchs, if the Emperor can get back to work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4977084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 He is dead, let him be dead. No explanations needed. Lexington 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4977239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riconas Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I’m divided on Sanguinius possibly returning, in my opinion they haven’t done him justice in the Heresy novels so far but there’s still the siege of Terra left. If he did return I would do it as a warp ghost/ loyalist Deamon Primarch like the sanguinor or Celestine, but I wouldn’t link him directly to the Emperor so as not to step on Celestines toes. Sanguinius and his sons always had a sort of psychic link so I’d say that link survived his death, it is that link that gives the BA the Black Rage but it also keeps Sanguinius soul whole and strong in the warp. However the BA Primaris don’t have that link so I’d do an event or novel where Sanguinius soul is fading because normal marines are being replaced by Primaris, Sanguinius would of course be willing to fade away to save his sons but the Primaris find out and willingly embrace the connection to Sanguinius resulting in them getting the Black Rage but that strengthens Sanguinius soul to such an extent he is able to manifest in material space when his sons are in desperate need. What I really don’t want is a full and proper living resurrection, that would feel a bit cheep. Ultimately for me if they tell a good story they can do anything, bring back Sanguinius, Horus, Ferrus or Curze. Make Lorgar a loyalist anything. Some of those things are a lot harder to do convincingly than others, a few are almost impossible but if the story was good enough I’d accept it. I actually agree with this; if done properly, it could be done well; but doing it properly is the key, not retconning everything like Disney seems to enjoy doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4977286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Only once he dies, and is reborn as the 5th Chaos God, the Starchild. :) Or Jyugglag...that is horrifically misspelled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4977308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 So far I haven't read anything in this thread that wasn't summed up with a much earlier statement. How would Sanguinius' return be explained? Badly, to sell more plastic. Scribe, DuskRaider and DexC 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4977362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I'll never understand the need to change things from what they are, when those things have been good for decades. Sanguinus has purpose in being dead. There is no need to revert or change the circumstances around his death for it to have resonance down through the decades. I mean I know ADB was cracking a joke, everyone should know that he's poking the bear that is the wildly misunderstanding 40K Fan...but no the Emperor wont cut down Sanguinius...or I'll boil down a book, and eat it. Small but vital note: I didn't crack the joke. I just said that I guarantee someone out there believes the joke that the good marshal cracked. MrDarth151 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341924-how-would-sanguiniuss-return-be-explained/page/6/#findComment-4977823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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