Lander Speeder vengeance worth it now?

[spideygut]

Considering the Weapons from the dark stratagem and Grim resolve tactic is it worth it fielding a Land speeder Vengeance? Im sitting on a kit that has yet to be built. I originally was going to make it a Dark Shroud but not sure if I should maybe go the vengeance route with the new info coming out of our codex. Just a newbie looking to help flush out his first army.   

[Helycon]

I'd suggest waiting until the codex is out. Were not sure if all of the units get grim resolve. We just know that it's not limited to infantry, bikes and dreads.

 

That said, the Vengeance has the possibility to do massive damage with overcharged plasma and the stratagem. The danger is, you need to declare the stratagem before you do anything with a unit. This means you have the possibility of rolling a 1 on the random number of shots, effectively wasting stat CP on something like Hellblasters, which don't have this variability when shooting.

 

You can probably magnetise the kit though, saving you some cash :)

[spideygut]

Yeah the potential for damage could be huge! Only to fire one shot.... Now to find a good magnetizing tutorial for the speeder. 

[SnakeChisler]

I magnetised mine but in truth I've never used the plasma, I'll try add some pics later today

 

Darkshrouds are awesome coupled with Aversion and Azreal 4++ it's bad hair day all round for the sons of the Lions enemies

 

Hopefully they will change the rule which nukes the weapon on overheat to something sane, it's not the 3 mortal wounds I object too it's the can't fire for the rest of the game bit

Edited December 7, 2017 by SnakeChisler

[oldmanlee]

I used a vengance in a few torneys the other month and I found it to be very useful I found the 2dmg from the plasma storm very good and found no need to over charge it. It's not as good as the dark shroud but don't right it off

[jlmb_123]

Yeah the potential for damage could be huge! Only to fire one shot.... Now to find a good magnetizing tutorial for the speeder. 

 Here you go: http://fromastartestofinish.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/finally-finished-magnetized-land.html

[march10k]

I magnetised mine but in truth I've never used the plasma, I'll try add some pics later today

 

Darkshrouds are awesome coupled with Aversion and Azreal 4++ it's bad hair day all round for the sons of the Lions enemies

 

Hopefully they will change the rule which nukes the weapon on overheat to something sane, it's not the 3 mortal wounds I object too it's the can't fire for the rest of the game bit

Darkshroud+aversion is nasty...it's just too bad that the lion helm will no longer protect vehicles....

[Macabre Slanneshi Prince]

The Darkshroud should be advancing every turn anyway.

[sneakybamsen]

Yeah, to give it that 4++, but it won't be able to shoot when advancing, which it could when azzy was nearby with index rules.

[SnakeChisler]

Codex review I saw on youtube still has it nuking itself on a 1

 

I've been running a couple of vindicators since chapter approved dropped the points D6 / D3 weapons suck unless you have enough of them to give you decent averages per turn.

 

Very nice model speeders are still over costed though

[dtse]

No. It still hurts and disables itself. So sucky. Make a shroud and save yourself the trouble