Scribe Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I need some help. Long story is short, I've played many armies, owned and sold far more than I ever should, and have extremely limited time. My group is playing 8th, while I have essentially lost the last YEAR of my life in a pit of work and despair (mostly work...) but want to get back into playing. My wants. Small Model Count Not Knights Few Configuration differences between units (Spam, so I have less rules to worry about and less decisions to make) 2000 Points. Back in my Golden Age (5th Edition) I had several such armies, and GK was one I never jumped too, as I had the armies that they were a good foil, and a super spammy Dark Eldar army, but would they work for 8th? Essentially, is a pure Terminator list at 2k playable (not top tier competitive, I dont care about that these days) and what would such a list look like? Is there a best in slot special weapon that is a catch all if running terminators? Lots of questions, but I appreciate your time if you respond! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Run pure Paladin over terminators. Ignore our special guns. Stick falchions on every ws3+ mini. Hammers on every ws 2+. Use Voldus, Draigo or GMNDK for hq. Done! Scribe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Also, Stormraven and Apothecaries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Run pure Paladin over terminators. Ignore our special guns. Stick falchions on every ws3+ mini. Hammers on every ws 2+. Use Voldus, Draigo or GMNDK for hq. Done! You can just run pure Paladins, you dont need troops anymore? As a Vanguard Detachment I see this would work. Edited December 7, 2017 by Scribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yeah multiple vanguard detachments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 GK definetly fit to your idea of army. But termy armour only is absolutely useless. Using pally could be a solution, but according to the rules and the new OS inserted by the CA you need troops to control objectives. And our few body count doesn't help. So probably you should take some pagk, that are easy to paint and very good as troop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 OK, thanks folks, I appreciate it. Ordered some models and I'll get things rolling. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Best way to go is Battalion + Vanguard Two Grandmaster DK's and 15x Strikes is all you need for Battalion, and that's +3CP Then chuck your Paladins with a Brother-Captain in your Vanguard, another +1CP. Avoid Terminators, they're irredeemable garbage. Even for casual games you'll find them depressingly bad. An example 2k list I run most games (obviously substitute the Dreads for Paladins in your case) Battalion: - Grandmaster DK w/greatsword+dreadfist, gatling psilencer, heavy psycannon, Sanctuary, Warlord (First Into The Fray) - Grandmaster DK w/greatsword+dreadfist, gatling psilencer, heavy psycannon, Gate of Infinity - (3) Justicar w/falchions, 4x Strikes w/falchions, Hammerhand - (2) Justicar w/falchions, 4x Purgators w/psilencer, Astral Aim Vanguard: - Brother-Captain w/storm bolter+Destroyer of Crys'yllx, Gate of Infinity - Doomglaive Dreadnought, Gate of Infinity - (3) Venerable Dreadnought w/twin lascannon+missile launcher, Astral Aim Been working fairly well for me. A note with Paladins, always give the Paragon a hammer, the rest falchions. Another way to go is to take multiple Apothecaries with hammers. They're quite good value, you just have to plan your 'on table' drops so you can chuck them all in Teleport Strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I think that Draigo with pally will be absolutely better and fluffy. (But I am not objective, I always play Draigo) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Thank you for the further thoughts! Is there a list building app that works from GW yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 The best list building app is battlescribe. Not official but it works very well Scribe 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4954974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickrock Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) I played a game with 3 (or was it 4) squads of paladins, 2 Apothecaries, 2 Storm Ravens, a Librarian, and a Knight. I played it against Tau and it did extremely well. Low model count, easy to know whats going on, strong and durable. Never underestimate the power of teleporting a Land Raider into someones face with Gate of Infinity. Looking back I wish I would have taken ONE Stormraven and replaced the other with a Crusader. Having said that (not looked at it since Chapter Approved) 2 GMNDKs and Strike Spam is generally the way to go. With the return of TL Autocannon Dreads it makes me feel more comfortable about playing competitive. But that does't fall inline with your Terminators idea.Although, and hear me out, you could take 2 GMNDKs with 3 Paladins Squads and 2 Apoths. Then fill it in with a Supreme Commander Detachment with 3 more GMNDKs. Dick move? Yes. Terrible? Potentially. Fun? Loads. I say this as I had a doubles tournament with 4 Dreadknights and an Inquisitor and it was a blast. I mean, TECHNICALLY they are Terminators but. Edited December 9, 2017 by Kickrock Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4955391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Before I completely give up on GK, I've been running a supreme command detachment of 3 GMNDK with a vanguard detachment of Voldus, 2 4 man paladin units, apothecary and a storm raven. Also tried it with only 2 GMNDK, no voldus and double storm raven in a single vanguard detachment. It's face smashy but sucks in the objective game. The elite nature of the army doesn't fit with 8th ed. It seems like GMNDK, strike squads, razorbacks and apothecaries are the way to go if you're spamming Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4956979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 8th is all about redundancy, board control and firepower (as in quantity over quality). It's why Guard have stayed top dog, despite FAQ changes. They can cover their side of the table really well to blunt your alpha, plant expendable grunts in the way of their tanks (to make Teleport Strike and any charges you try for worthless), and they just pile on the dakka. I'm strongly considering allies the more I play. I still do well with my list, but we do have a severe on-table presence issue. I haven't really seen Paladin-heavy lists do all that well, despite the hype early on. If we could Teleport Strike everything, would be a different story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4957040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I'd put Nids up their with Guard as well. They can do exactly the same, replacing tanks with Big Gribblies. And come on, 90 S4 shots from 30 Gaunts, who can use a Strat to shoot again. Ugh. Beams 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4957046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yeah I've kinda worried my local Nid player will unleash hell once he focuses on the army proper (he just finished doing his Death Guard in 30k). They have some truly absurd strategems and special rules. Gentlemanloser 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4957715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Luckily our Nid player has been distracted by guard. Er, in second thoughts i don't think that lucky for me at all! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342084-an-army-that-is-simple-workable-with-gk/#findComment-4958272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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