Blades of Vengeance?

[Wired4War]

Has anyone painted up the new Ultima Founding successor chapter? I'm debating if I want my primaris to be part of the original chapter as greenwing or part of the new primaris only chapter that will ally with my standard marines. Looking for inspiration.

[JJD]

I don't think DA would suit a primaris only successor as you would be missing out on Deathwing and Ravenwing.

 

Maybe once the Primaris range is fully fleshed out in the future but not right now.

Sorry I clearly posted without reading properly. Allying would work.

[Bryan Blaire]

I don't think DA would suit a primaris only successor as you would be missing out on Deathwing and Ravenwing.

That's something I'm actually interested in seeing in the new Codex (although I doubt it is there) - we know there is this at least one Successor from the Ultima Founding, the Blades of Vengeance, that is all Primaris, so how ar they organized? I'm guessing they are simply a basic Marines structure right now, no DA influence.

[Wired4War]

That's something I'm actually interested in seeing in the new Codex (although I doubt it is there) - we know there is this at least one Successor from the Ultima Founding, the Blades of Vengeance, that is all Primaris, so how ar they organized? I'm guessing they are simply a basic Marines structure right now, no DA influence.

That's how I understand it as well, and if DA don't fully trust the primaris then keeping them all in an allied successor chapter seems like a good way to keep them at a distance from inner circle secrets.

[march10k]

I can't wait to see how the Lion's awakening turns out in terms of the Primaris marines' role in the first legion.  I mean, marketing says that Rottingham wants us to buy more plastic, so the Lion is going to fully embrace them, but the preponderance of the fluff would seem to point in the opposite direction.  Even if somehow the issue of the Fallen is resolved and there's no secret to really keep from the primaris, buying in to a newfangled girlyman pattern of marine seems very unlike us, with our attitude of having been used and abused, then cast aside, bearing the brunt of the early stages of the crusade, then cast aside when shiny new legions hit the field.

[StormLion]

I'm doing an all Primaris, well mostly. I've finally figured out my back story. In summary, a bunch of DA primaris fight really well on a planet, Guilliman is looking for some support from the DA, and the inner circle doesn't trust the primaris. The IC decides to kill two birds with one stone. They offload the primaris on the planet into a new successor chapter to help defend the world (it's right on the crucis) and then to watch them and make sure they can be trusted a few DW knights, a few RW fliers, and an interrogator chaplain go as "reinforcements".

[TempestBlade]

@Stormlion: That is exactly my thoughts! I’m doing a full Blades of Vengeance with just Primaris stuff and then some Deathwing Knights and Ravenwing Flyers to make sure the new guys don’t learn too many secrets. It lets me get my dark angels fix and have a use for all the dark imperium Primaris models. I contacted a Shapeways seller and got the BoV icon made up so I can put them on the shoulder pads. I wish there was more lite about them but that’s ok. Maybe in the upcoming Space Marine Conquest book.

[Wired4War]

When I finish up my current Dark Angels project, I'm thinking about doing Angels of Deliverance all primaris chapter from the new codex 

[Dark Rage]

I plan (if I ever actually finish) to make my 3rd company Consecrators all primaris, due to some freak accident the 3rd company was wiped out and boom primaris reinforcements some veterans from other companies went through primaris modification so they could watch over them... these guys will be in artificed armour.

[TempestBlade]

Nice Wired4war! I couldn’t bring myself to do a quartered color scheme. Good luck and I hope you post some pics!

[shabbadoo]

 

That's something I'm actually interested in seeing in the new Codex (although I doubt it is there) - we know there is this at least one Successor from the Ultima Founding, the Blades of Vengeance, that is all Primaris, so how ar they organized? I'm guessing they are simply a basic Marines structure right now, no DA influence.

That's how I understand it as well, and if DA don't fully trust the primaris then keeping them all in an allied successor chapter seems like a good way to keep them at a distance from inner circle secrets.

 

No doubt.  I can imagine the first meeting between the Chapters...

 

Grand Master of the Blades of Vengeance: "WOW! Grand Master Azrael! It is so great to finally meet you! We are of the same geneseed you know! We're Unforgiven too, whatever that means! See? Here is our Ultima Founding charter signed and sealed by Lord Guilliman himself!"

 

Grand Master Azrael: "My, my! It even has the gold paint and macaroni on it! Very lovely indeed! You know what I am going to do? I am going to put this on the the refrigerator door right now so that all of the visiting Unforgiven will see it! Off you go now!"

 

n00bs.

[Bryan Blaire]

some veterans from other companies went through primaris modification so they could watch over them...

Unfortunately the ability to actually do that doesn't seem to be concretely established anywhere in any of the written fluff - it seems like an off-hand comment from a Twitch thing that has somehow not ever been shown by GW to actually be possible. The only real textual evidence we have right now of the process shows the required Primaris organs having specific implantation timings during the standard creation process of a Marine.

 

I'm not trying to say that anyone can't go with that idea, simply that nothing GW Studio itself has written, or any of the branch organizations outside of that - even in White Dwarf, actually supports the idea of implantation of the Primaris organs post-completion of the standard Marine implantation process. It seems like it has to be something done from the beginning, not an aftermarket parts addition.

 

I honestly don't understand why they haven't written something like that, it would very likely solve many, many of the push-back problems GW gets from both the players and the perceived lack of acceptance that seems to get breezed over or quickly resolved in the Codexes, but now that they have had several months to go ahead and write something in that vein, it makes me seriously wonder exactly why they haven't...

[Dark Rage]

 

some veterans from other companies went through primaris modification so they could watch over them...

Unfortunately the ability to actually do that doesn't seem to be concretely established anywhere in any of the written fluff - it seems like an off-hand comment from a Twitch thing that has somehow not ever been shown by GW to actually be possible. The only real textual evidence we have right now of the process shows the required Primaris organs having specific implantation timings during the standard creation process of a Marine.

 

I'm not trying to say that anyone can't go with that idea, simply that nothing GW Studio itself has written, or any of the branch organizations outside of that - even in White Dwarf, actually supports the idea of implantation of the Primaris organs post-completion of the standard Marine implantation process. It seems like it has to be something done from the beginning, not an aftermarket parts addition.

 

I honestly don't understand why they haven't written something like that, it would very likely solve many, many of the push-back problems GW gets from both the players and the perceived lack of acceptance that seems to get breezed over or quickly resolved in the Codexes, but now that they have had several months to go ahead and write something in that vein, it makes me seriously wonder exactly why they haven't...

 

 

I haven't read much into the whole primaris conversion process just that people were mentioning that older marines could become primaris, it would be good if they did do more write up on it as it would help with the background behind some of the things I want in my force.

 

Would it be more appropriate to say the Dark Angels created their own primaris marines following the doctrine of the Dark Angels and gave them Inner Circle knowledge and then sent them out to their successors, although to me that seems more like a stretch due to the secrecy and trust within the Dark Angels or simply an issue of time as it would take quite some time for primaris to be welcomed into the secrets of the 1st.

[Ulfast]

If the Lion wakes up, do you think it could cause a second sundering in the dark angels? That he just embrace the new primaris and leave the old marines behind, that split and join Luther and his new "fallen"?

[Bryan Blaire]

I haven't read much into the whole primaris conversion process just that people were mentioning that older marines could become primaris, it would be good if they did do more write up on it as it would help with the background behind some of the things I want in my force.

Unfortunately if you go and look for a written source on a Primaris being made from an already existing Astartes, you won’t find anything written on that right now, and based on the way that the creation of a Primaris was written, it is done as part of the standard Astartes implantation - Primaris just get three additional organs, a couple early, and one a little later. It doesn’t look like there is any written text that actually supports the idea of an Astartes to be “upgraded” to Primaris. One guy said it on a Twitch feed or something one time, but there has never been anything written that supports that idea.

 

Would it be more appropriate to say the Dark Angels created their own primaris marines following the doctrine of the Dark Angels and gave them Inner Circle knowledge and then sent them out to their successors, although to me that seems more like a stretch due to the secrecy and trust within the Dark Angels or simply an issue of time as it would take quite some time for primaris to be welcomed into the secrets of the 1st.

I honestly don’t think that many, if any, Primaris that Guilliman ordered up that Cawl made would really be trusted, but they likely could be tested by the Librarians, I just doubt those specific ones would ever be elevated to the Inner Circle. Now that the Unforgiven have the capability to make their own Primaris though, once the “Legion” gained enough trust in those produced and there was no reason to doubt the process itself, those internally made memebers likely could be allowed to ascend to the Deathwing and eventually into the Inner Circle, but we’ll have to see exactly how that plays out in GW's own storyline as well.

[Interrogator Stobz]

All through our codex are pictures of green Primaris instead of our normal marines, they are here to stay and GW want to sell them to as many of us as they can.

I’m picking that the next codex will have them expanded into DW and RW as and when they create the minis.

I’m glad many like them but it’s nearly enough to have me drop the game.