Did any prominent Chapters reject the Primaris?

[Wargamer]

Title says it all, really.

[Blindhamster]

nope, or at least, GW is unlikely to ever admit it.

 

many of them dont fully trust them though (like the DA apparently basically using them as canon fodder and keeping them separate from their inner circle and command structure for example. And I believe there is a story where an Imperial fist resents them too.
 

but none reject them.

[Machine God]

They're not Medusan!

[point_Zer0]

nope, or at least, GW is unlikely to ever admit it.

 

 And I believe there is a story where an Imperial fist resents them too.

It's the "Shroud of Night". His logic was something like "I've been training as a scout and fighting for 300 years after that to become what i am. And those halfbloods go from the surgery straight into the battle". So he has a point there. He just doesn't know what they are capable of and whether he can trust them or not.

[Kinstryfe]

Same reason you're unlikely to see GW ever profess that the White Scars never use Dreadnaughts, or the Raven Guard never use Devastators. The closest it'll ever come is "many Captains in the chapter dislike the use of...", Because anything concrete robs the fans of the option to use those models. And who knows? Maybe someone wanted an out of character Scars Dreadnaught mob, or a Raven Guard gunline, or a Dark Angels Primaris army (I've actually seen one at my local shop), so I don't think we'd ever get an absolute NO from GW on primaris. Lots of "aren't fully trusted" and "waiting to see if the flaw is worse with them" sure, but probably never a complete lack of them.

[Frater Cornelius]

I wouldn’t say ‘never’. Less prominent, sure. But I am sure they have those respective units. They may be bound by tradition, but they aren’t fools. Why give up a tactical advantage if it costs you little with no moral hinderance? This may apply less to Dreads for Scars, though.

[Xisor]

I'm surprised they didn't concoct a few retro-prominent Chapters. There's a thousand, after all.

 

E.g. add in a hitherto unnamed Ultramarine 2nd Founder as one that had a Big Beef about Primaris, or throw in a couple of the ones closest to Terra (e.g. The Imperial Whoevers and the Ironblood Warrior Angels) as the ones that first outright opposed the whole thing (but got Excommunicated sharpish, and near obliterated), then list a few others that are holding out, but that are still on Guilliman's to-do list.

[Blindhamster]

But why would they introduce a chapter that doesn't like the new product they just released? Makes lots of sense in setting. Zero business sense.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

But why would they introduce a chapter that doesn't like the new product they just released? Makes lots of sense in setting. Zero business sense.

It gives them the option to obliterate that chapter, providing an in-universe explanation for why they've been so widely adopted: "see Chapter X? They rejected Primaris and got beat up by Warlord Y. Then Chapter Z and it's Primaris rode to the rescue and pulled X's bacon out of the fryer, this proving the Primaris superiority!"

[Ishagu]

But why would they introduce a chapter that doesn't like the new product they just released? Makes lots of sense in setting. Zero business sense.

This.

 

Primaris are designed to be an attractive proposition but not one that erases or negates existing Marine armies.

 

Ultimately they'll be the whole focus.

[Kinstryfe]

 

But why would they introduce a chapter that doesn't like the new product they just released? Makes lots of sense in setting. Zero business sense.

It gives them the option to obliterate that chapter, providing an in-universe explanation for why they've been so widely adopted: "see Chapter X? They rejected Primaris and got beat up by Warlord Y. Then Chapter Z and it's Primaris rode to the rescue and pulled X's bacon out of the fryer, this proving the Primaris superiority!"

I could see that, but likely only with a newly made up chapter. "The Midnight Griffons chapter rejected primaris, and bad things happened" is totally possible. Any established chapter and they're bound to upset someone who's already painted some up.

[Ogun]

I'm sure eventually some chapters will crop up in BL stories or FW background who have rejected Primaris. Cawl puts acceptance at something like 98% in Dark Imperium based on new equipment demands. Some author will want to explore the exceptions. There is also the potentially interesting story of a chapter who accepts Primaris, but then later chooses to abandon them. I very much doubt that any of the prominent chapters will do so though.

[Frater Cornelius]

I am sure that acceptance is high due to the fact that it is Guilliman. If Cawl alone did it or any Chapter Master, many more would refuse. If the president of the universe was at my door telling me to drink a coffee, I’ll do it, even though I dislike coffee. Some things are bigger than yourself and sometimes it is better to acknowledge that and go along.

[deathspectersgt7]

No. But of course they would accept them GW has to sell models. But this would be my take .Yes some would . Simple fact how can you trust some one who was re-awaken with the help of the eldar . Death to Xenos , And some Chapters like their Independence and have the capabilities to manufacture their own equipment . And would also have questions about said primaris . If said person said you have to drink coffee some would ask why ? Some things are bigger than yourself but I still would want an explanation. 

[Ishagu]

The Imperial Inquisition was present at the time of Guilliman's awakening. As far as the Imperium is concerned, there is no concern :-P

[Spinsanity]

Simple fact how can you trust some one who was re-awaken with the help of the eldar

This is a LOT of meta-knowledge being applied, here. Considering this is the Imperium, how could you expect anyone - beyond those who were there - to know the Eldarii were involved?

 

Just because we as gamers know doesn't mean everyone in-universe does...

Edited December 14, 2017 by Spinsanity

[Black Cohort]

The Imperial Inquisition was present at the time of Guilliman's awakening. As far as the Imperium is concerned, there is no concern :-P

Because all members of the inquisition always agree and there are no factions, dissent or renegades with the organization.

[Blindhamster]

The point he was making, is the imperium at large (and most SM chapters) will have absolutely no idea how exactly Guilliman was resurrected.

[deathspectersgt7]

In universe yes the Imperium is large and most everybody is too stupid to ask questions . And there is no leaks of information from anyone . Move along ,move along.

[Blindhamster]

to be fair, the ones that witnessed the event either died, or are important/respected enough to not want to leak that info.

But it is of course possible others know!

I think ultimately, as others have already said, the real reason is that they want to sell kits, they arent going to knowingly do something to make it so someone actively wont buy them!

[Sete]

Almarich should have just shot everybody and be done with it.

 

But yeah if the Inquisition (ordo hereticus no less) and one of the most brutal and xenophobic chapters around (BT) rolled with it, I assume the rest of the Imperium would do the same.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Sete

[deathspectersgt7]

So then no other Chapter Master would question anything about the Primaris ? Curious . They were developed how long ago !!!! And now you just introduced them out in the Open. So what you are saying Cawl knowingly held them back from us ? And  Wait !!! What ? A Primarchb is back !!!!? How did that happen? . What do you mean you can not say?

 

Stuff like that just saying. And here would be a great Idea Maybe the Sons Of Antaeus were Primaris. 

[Mileposter]

Of course Chapter Masters questioned things about the Primaris. We see them do so. But none of them were told anything more than they needed to know. Hell, I had heard one case was simply "Because Gulliman said so" - and that's good enough for some.

 

Questioning orders and disobeying orders are two very different things.

[deathspectersgt7]

So who is disobeying Orders ? I have yet to see any evidence of that. 

[Mileposter]

Likely no one, as was said before. They questioned, some complained, but fee to none disobeyed.