dex_911 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Ohh Dorn is done. Nice! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Soldier of Dorn and I have been discussing this for a while. Frankly, I doubt the Heresy will ever reach the heights it could have under Mr. Bligh. Neil Wylie might indeed be an excellent writer for the setting, but he does not possess the guiding vision and passion for the potential of the Heresy like Alan Bligh possessed. I look forward to continued Heresy materials from FW, but something has been irrevocably lost with Mr. Bligh's death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Soldier of Dorn and I have been discussing this for a while. Frankly, I doubt the Heresy will ever reach the heights it could have under Mr. Bligh. Neil Wylie might indeed be an excellent writer for the setting, but he does not possess the guiding vision and passion for the potential of the Heresy like Alan Bligh possessed. I look forward to continued Heresy materials from FW, but something has been irrevocably lost with Mr. Bligh's death. I can’t imagine Alan wouldn’t have left a general roadmap for Neil to follow. Or confided ideas in Aaron and John that can’t be passed along. While we have lost Alan’s vast knowledge of history that made everything in the Heresy series feel lived in, I sincerely doubt the series died with him. An you know what? Even if it did, it’s still the best timeframe in the lore to make ‘your dudes’. You’d be free from studio metaplots, WAAC-holes, power creepers, and That Guys. You could just make some cool conversions, paint some cool models, and get together with some like minded friends for a campaign weekend with the 7th Edition rule book. You guys will be free to tweak the rules like you need to, scale your games like you want. Limit choices that are over powered. At this point I want the background that Alan wrote for the last three legions, some cool color palettes, finishing up special unit entries, and the last few non-legion lists (Demons, Army, and Dark Mech) and then I’d be perfectly happy while they finish up he Primarchs and remaining model kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 lol you guys. Of course you'd jump on the death part instantly. Imo the more interesting part was where atia said FW is moving their ressources to currently, not a single word thrown in. Atia also said dead AT THE MOMENT by the way. That already means it will go on of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urriak Urruk Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 This news isn't terribly surprising. HH had a pretty big boost last year with BoP (the plastic box and the new book), with IA had been undone FOREVER. Combine that with the unexpected demand for Blood Bowl and the added demand for Necromunda... GW is just juggling too many things. They'll come back to it eventually once they get tired of BB and Necro (and they eventually will), but for now this is pretty logical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soldier of Dorn Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 No such thing as a dead game so long as people are willing to keep playing. ;) Soldier of Dorn and I have been discussing this for a while. Frankly, I doubt the Heresy will ever reach the heights it could have under Mr. Bligh. Neil Wylie might indeed be an excellent writer for the setting, but he does not possess the guiding vision and passion for the potential of the Heresy like Alan Bligh possessed. I look forward to continued Heresy materials from FW, but something has been irrevocably lost with Mr. Bligh's death. I can’t imagine Alan wouldn’t have left a general roadmap for Neil to follow. Or confided ideas in Aaron and John that can’t be passed along. While we have lost Alan’s vast knowledge of history that made everything in the Heresy series feel lived in, I sincerely doubt the series died with him.An you know what?Even if it did, it’s still the best timeframe in the lore to make ‘your dudes’. You’d be free from studio metaplots, WAAC-holes, power creepers, and That Guys. You could just make some cool conversions, paint some cool models, and get together with some like minded friends for a campaign weekend with the 7th Edition rule book. You guys will be free to tweak the rules like you need to, scale your games like you want. Limit choices that are over powered.At this point I want the background that Alan wrote for the last three legions, some cool color palettes, finishing up special unit entries, and the last few non-legion lists (Demons, Army, and Dark Mech) and then I’d be perfectly happy while they finish up he Primarchs and remaining model kits. Eh... yes and no.While it is certain Alan would have left a roadmap and copious amounts of notes (by all accounts, the man was prolifically creative on a scale that I have trouble comprehending, and people like that make notes. They make a lot of notes.) by that same token, he was prolifically creative, and that's something that's difficult to replace with whatever he left behind. It's certainly not going to be the same without him. But I agree with everything else: it is the best timeframe in the lore to make your dudes, absolutely, 100%. Something I think a lot of people who might not be involved with the Heresy don't "get" is that just because 30k hobbyists don't invent a color scheme or a Chapter name to their own, that makes their armies necessarily less personalized in character and background. And that simply isn't the case. The Legions are a creative's playground just as much as their inheritors 10 millennia on, just in different ways. In all honesty, the sort of scenario you envision, where the community takes charge of the game rather than simply following word from on high, is in many ways my ideal, and I think we're heading in that direction on a larger scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yawn This is old news People that actually play 30k know it's not dead as we have events that sell out in less than 3 minutes, Facebook pages filled with chat, new podcasts weekly and constantly adding too or starting new armies Actual 30k players are not concerned Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Shocking new info about the HH game system right here: C L I C K B A I T / Thread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kijamon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Not surprised that blog writers are throwing about "dead" and clickbaity stuff but I didn't expect it from someone as close to GW as this. I don't think anyone can deny it's slowed up since Feb (where Tony stated that 30k was a 40k supplement and would follow it in to any future rules changes). That sort of language smacks as someone who likes 8th and is mad that FW haven't gone that route. Which is fine to hold that opinion, I don't share it but I can understand why some people want 8th for 30k. If they changed their mind and kept it as 7th edition because they don't like 8th, because of Alan's death or because of some other reason I'm not sure we'll know until February at the earliest at the next weekender but I am sure we'll get some form of answer for it. I'm not spending £40 on a rulebook that's going to be outdated within 12 months so I will be asking for reassurances of a longer term plan for 7th - if they pull that trick I'll be unable to justify paying for a forge world book ever again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don't see why they couldn't be running concurrent datasheets for 7th and 8th and since that 7.5th BRB is already done, just add an 8th rulebook to the set. Boom, choice. Options. Multitude of new or returning Heresy players, myself included.I have 6000+ pts worth of Imperial Fists shelved because I refuse to touch 7ed with a 10ft pole. I'd be back in a heartbeat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yawn This is old news People that actually play 30k know it's not dead as we have events that sell out in less than 3 minutes, Facebook pages filled with chat, new podcasts weekly and constantly adding too or starting new armies Actual 30k players are not concerned QFT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yawn This is old news People that actually play 30k know it's not dead as we have events that sell out in less than 3 minutes, Facebook pages filled with chat, new podcasts weekly and constantly adding too or starting new armies Actual 30k players are not concerned QFT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 We shouldn’t take shots at Atia for using a colloquial term. I say parties are dead or concerts are dead all the time. I’m not trying to be dramatic and I doubt she was was too. It’s just an expression. She’s always there for us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Even just a PDF bringing 30k legions and their special characters and legions to 40k would bring droves of 30k players back again and money flowing into FW's coffers. Currently though it almost seems that GW is trying to destroy FW. They have made the 40k points costs so high and uncompetitive to their own models its a wonder anyone uses FW vehicles. Rule of cool is great. The Typhon was 500 points, about 100 or so over costed for what it can do in 40k but 100 points I can deal with. New points came out and all of a sudden its now 700 point base. Not playing with a 300 point handicap while normal GW vehicles may not have dropped in price but they didn't go up and were given better rules. This is just one example. Its as if they are trying to make the points for FW stuff so high that you will only see GW models on the table. I question as to whether this is intentional in order to reduce sales from FW to the point where they can simply say "FW is no longer profitable so we are closing its doors." With all the punitive points costing, that's exactly what it feels like to me. No new books, no 8th edition crossover, no real new models. A stagnant brand is a brand that will be closed if it last for too long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urriak Urruk Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 New directory for the 8th Edition Heresy project; https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2633 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don't see why they couldn't be running concurrent datasheets for 7th and 8th and since that 7.5th BRB is already done, just add an 8th rulebook to the set. Boom, choice. Options. Multitude of new or returning Heresy players, myself included. I have 6000+ pts worth of Imperial Fists shelved because I refuse to touch 7ed with a 10ft pole. I'd be back in a heartbeat. My personal bet is that this is exactly what they will do.....once they have completed all the Legions. They then release one big Heresy supplement for 8th. No reason they can’t do it now (I’d prefer a move to 8th) but that’s kinda what I think they’ll do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProsperoStands Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 FW will never go away, but I do agree with you a bit. They want 8th to be as easy as possible for people to start and play and drive people to buy normal GW kits in order to win games. Another reason I avoid 8th, besides the rather plain rule set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 This is honestly not any major surprise or shocking news. GW just released 8th edition for their flagship product and they want resources and attention focused on that so it doesn't get flak like Age of Sigmar changeover. They've also had a focus on the specialist games like Necromunda and once those releases are out I'm sure they will return to 30k. Also, If enough people responded to their recent survey and expressed their love for 30k then I'm sure it will continue and releases will speed up. And if they don't I still have all my beautiful models to look at. I definitely don't regret buying any of it...except maybe that Stormeagle which was a terrible mold! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 GW is just juggling too many things. Except that their stocks are up crazy high, and they now have dedicated specialist teams (separate of one another) for Blood Blowl, Munda, and a few others. We know Battlefleet is being "blue printed", so to speak, as well as Titanicus/some form of Titans/Epic game. Previously, they had to pull members off the core design team for anything specialist, thus why we saw almost zero specialist games up until a few years recently, with the reintroduction of Space Hulk/Execution Force. I'm for one, stoked about the Titans and 'Fleet games, as well as some new niche 'bowl team. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Oh you know I was gloating about 30k all over that survey! So do we have any news about when we'll see Dorn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yawn This is old news People that actually play 30k know it's not dead as we have events that sell out in less than 3 minutes, Facebook pages filled with chat, new podcasts weekly and constantly adding too or starting new armies Actual 30k players are not concerned That. Dorn is ready sounds good though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 So do we have any news about when we'll see Dorn? Not yet. He'll probably show up as a release at the HeresyMunda Weekender in February, and come on general release a few weeks later. If we're super, ultra lucky he might show up as a New Years release or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4959913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 Shocking new info about the HH game system right here: C L I C K B A I T / Thread Except that there's no clickbait. I didn't use any dramatic words in the threadtitle etc and neither did atia make such a blogpost. It's just some comments of hers in a completely different blogpost lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4960273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 To me, "dead" would mean cancelation of Angelus and FW's HH series of books. That's "dead". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4960291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 That's why a sentence usually consists of more words than just one. She said "dead atm. Don't expect anything big for it for the next time", not "dead and gone for good. It will never return". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/342305-the-future-of-30k-not-an-official-statement/page/2/#findComment-4960292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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