The future of 30k (not an official statement!)

[D3L]

Very happy it's not been moved to the cluster munition that is 8th, HH belongs with proper rules, the longer we have the better, and by the time they look to adapt it 40k will have gone back to classic coke, win-win all around really

[Soldier of Dorn]

Can't say I'm looking forward to 8e Horus Heresy myself, either, in all honesty. I understand the appeal that many people feel for a more simplistic, less rules intensive and faster moving game, but having played several games of 8e in the months since release, I still feel that it lacks a certain je ne sais quoi as I did when it first released. But hey, at least it appears that they're going to release the rules for everything in the old system first, so once the 8e update hits, we'll still be able to use the old rules with a willing opponent.

[Anvilarium]

I really don't want to see Horus Heresy move to 8e any time soon. The 8e rules just don't scale up well for units such as 10-Man Lascannon Squads. The 8e rules as they are would end up making vehicles useless as they would just get spammed to death.

[M@verik115]

As far as I was made aware we are getting Dorn and Valdor soon. 
There are 2 writers working on Angelus which has again been pushed back another 12 months. 
The heresy team has pretty much been scrapped so there are no new sculpts in the works and Angelus will be the last heresy book for a while. 

It might change in the future, but that is the current standing as far as I know. 
 

[Dantay VI]

Does this mean no Grey Slayers or Deathsworn?

 

These were on the way to getting finished so hopefully FW will finish projects already part done before stopping miniature production for the meantime.

[Marshal Rohr]

The next time we will get any concrete information about the Heresy is the Necromunda/Heresy Weekender. Until then we won’t know anything for sure.

[Gorgoff]

The next time we will get any concrete information about the Heresy is the Necromunda/Heresy Weekender. Until then we won’t know anything for sure.

Which is good if you ask me.

You can have too much of stuff and that short period gives us time to build and paint stuff.

Whenever they brought new content we ordered.

My pile of shame grew to huge proportions and now it is time to get it on. ;)

[Kizzdougs]

Does this mean no Grey Slayers or Deathsworn?

 

These were on the way to getting finished so hopefully FW will finish projects already part done before stopping miniature production for the meantime.

I imagine that they've still got a few things ready for release that they'll drip feed us while we wait for the next major release, however long that takes. Hopefully Grey Slayers and Deathsworn will be amongst those drip fed kits.

[rendingon1+]

My biggest fear is a drop in fluff quality. I hope that without Alan they can mange it. Now, I don't expect it to become 40k ridiculousness (how mighty have fallen) but I do hope HH background will uphold it's more mature approach, pseudo historcial style etc.

Also they could really move their and release WS/DA decals and some form of painting guide for 3 last legions.

[Corswain]

Alan Bligh laid down one hell of a blueprint for the books that, by all accounts, has been hugely commercially successful too, I can’t imagine FW messing with that too much.

[Panzer]

He also often disregarded his notes and improvised if the thought of something good tho afaik. So no amount of his notes will ever be able to replace him properly.

[Corswain]

I’m not suggesting that they’re replacing him. You’re completely right, they can’t. I just don’t think that new authors = automatic drop in quality or change in structure/tone. I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Marshal Rohr]

Inferno was great and if Neil handled that I have nothing but faith in him.

[Bulwyf]

I knew they were going to move HH to 8th. It is the only thing that can save this game for the future. Absolutely no one in my local gaming scene will play anything but 8th. My 30k DG is collecting dust sans the few models I can talk an opponent in to "count as" for their 40k versions.

[ProsperoStands]

Your local gaming scene sucks then sorry to say. Also thankfully everyone I know has zero issue with me using my 30k in 40k games.

[Caboosegg]

bulwyf is that not because 8th is the new shiny?

 

my group 8th obsessed atm but they still have an in heresy.

 

personally although i'm under no illusion it will happen i'm dreading the change over, 8th for me has simplied everything to much... the vech shooting all its weapons when only its tire can see drives me insane for example.

[Marshal Rohr]

Yeah, all the anecdotal ‘told ya so’s don’t really hold up in the face of the larger social media groups being Heresy focused.

[Galron]

When the ancedotals outnumber the so called larger social media groups which are likely mostly the same people in different groups its no longer anecdotal. Except at maybe someones house 30k is dead in the Central Florida region. I play in various stores and aside from playing 40k legions using 30k models you wont see any 30k. Them switching to 8th is not the death of 30k in 7th. You guys like 7th, I get it, feel free to keep playing to your heart's content. Many many of us with 30k armies want to be able to play our armies with our groups, its not anecdotal, its pretty much the rule. Most groups are playing 8th edition and do not want to switch to back to 7th and remember old rules. Groups on social media playing 30k are a very tiny minority of people who were playing 30k before. You are a niche within a niche. Unless there is an influx of cash at FW I fear we might see an ending to FW. They have priced FW vehicles out of usability in 40k and there will be even less people buying them. Unless they print some new rules, they wont be selling books either. With income at least they have a leg to stand on.

[Marshal Rohr]

You said it’s not anecdotal and then proceeded to provide more anecdotes, brohim. You’re not in any position to speak with authority about what will or will not help.

[Panzer]

 

 

You are a niche within a niche

This is especially true and the reason why nobody really can say one thing for except for how it is in his local meta and in that one specific social media group. With such comparatively few player the results vary greatly from local group to local group.

[Bulwyf]

They aren't a bad group of players. They just all love 8th, so do I, and they won't play HH because of its rules. If HH would switch to 8th or at least give the option that would change. Seeing the OP just confirms Bligh was working on making HH convert to 8th as I've long suspected as I am sure most other HH players.

[Panzer]

They aren't a bad group of players. They just all love 8th, so do I, and they won't play HH because of its rules. If HH would switch to 8th or at least give the option that would change. Seeing the OP just confirms Bligh was working on making HH convert to 8th as I've long suspected as I am sure most other HH players.

Some people just have difficulties to accept that there are actually people who prefer the 8th edition rules over the 7th edition rules. Makes discussions a bit difficult and tedious at times but I'm sure they don't mean it in any bad way.

People will always have their favorite and ther least favorite editions. I for one can completely understand your group tho I also used to be on the other side of the fence in fantasy (funnily enough it also was the switch from 7th to 8th) so I can understand the feelings of the others as well. ^^

Just something to keep in mind for everybody I guess.

[Gorgoff]

When the ancedotals outnumber the so called larger social media groups which are likely mostly the same people in different groups its no longer anecdotal. Except at maybe someones house 30k is dead in the Central Florida region. I play in various stores and aside from playing 40k legions using 30k models you wont see any 30k. Them switching to 8th is not the death of 30k in 7th. You guys like 7th, I get it, feel free to keep playing to your heart's content. Many many of us with 30k armies want to be able to play our armies with our groups, its not anecdotal, its pretty much the rule. Most groups are playing 8th edition and do not want to switch to back to 7th and remember old rules. Groups on social media playing 30k are a very tiny minority of people who were playing 30k before. You are a niche within a niche. Unless there is an influx of cash at FW I fear we might see an ending to FW. They have priced FW vehicles out of usability in 40k and there will be even less people buying them. Unless they print some new rules, they wont be selling books either. With income at least they have a leg to stand on.

HH was a niche in a niche for years and still they brought black book after black book.

Only those great plastic boxes spread the word to 40k players.

But have those been good customers for FW?

No, they where not.

They might bought lots of plastics, which only helped GW, but those players didn't buy those black books or big expansive miniatures made of resin.

Almost all new players who came to the heresy after Betrayal at Calth had armies made of 90% plastic. FW looses nothing if those people stop playing HH and jump onto the next hypetrain.

I am not disrespecting those players but from a salesman perspective those players are invisible for FW. They make most of the money from people buing resin, lots of it. And those gamers are not people who like that loony cartoony look of current 40k.

Who plays Heresy?

And why?

Like I said there where those gamers who played it just it was the new :cuss. And -shocker- those gamers jumped on the next bandwaggon imediately after 8th hit the shelves, but HH and the resin miniatures are and alway had been crap for fast satisfaction because they are expansive, hard to get if ya not from Britain, hard to build and work with, the fluff is harder to follow (millions of books), the rules always been even more in depth RPGesk even compared to the so called bloated 7th and you have to wait for your stuff.

Sometimes for month and month or even years (DORN!). If you get past that barrier you are made from sterner stuff then most gamer and are much more stubborn then most players.

You don't shelve your 2k of miniatures because 8th edition allowes you to get hammered while playing without any impact on your game, no.

You keep playing because you have the soul of an old fart and like slow pace. All those new Mambojambo 'Vehicles can charge while shooting out of their butts' scares you. ;)

Abs that's why the heresy train will keep going.

It is just an old steam engine but it will keep on going.

 

And by the way:

People who forces you to shelve your army because they refuse to play anything besides their new toy ARE selfish people.

[Caboosegg]

SfPanther doesn't that apply both ways. there is plenty of 8th player that can't accept people prefer HH with how it plays in 7th to how 8th plays as a system.

[Panzer]

SfPanther doesn't that apply both ways. there is plenty of 8th player that can't accept people prefer HH with how it plays in 7th to how 8th plays as a system.

Yeah of course it does which is just as 'bad'.