Jacobus in 8th thus far

[Atrus]

Has anyone....bothered to use him?

 

I just looked over his rules because i hadnt done so this edition and ive gotta say...WHY would anyone take him?

 

He just seems so pants. For a named character he brings absolutely nothing. His entry would have been better suited as a generic ecclesiarch.

 

Am i missing something?

[dracpanzer]

For what he gives you over a basic priest he is certainly lackluster for sure.

[Commander Dawnstar]

It gets even worse when you consider that you can get a regular Priest and Canoness with equipment for the same entry cost.

[robofish7591]

I have used him a couple times, and yeah he isn't really worth it anymore.

[taikishi]

That's because you're paying 63 points to get +1WS, +1BS, +1W, +1A, +1Ld, the ability to give units within 6" +1Ld, and a souped up storm bolter that's only slightly better (about 1/20) inside 0-12" as long as you don't trigger the Assault weapon rules.

 

For 15 fewer points you can get Greyfax, who gives everyone within 6" of her Ld 10 instead of +1Ld, loses 4++ for a 3+, has better wargear and has the benefits of being a psyker and an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor.

 

Edit: Heck, for the same cost you can get Coteaz, who lets you fire Overwatch on deep strikers and infiltrators, Ordo Malleus benefits, psyker benefits, has a 2+/5++, an assault d6 weapon with the same range as the Redeemer, and is S6, -3 save, 3D in melee, and passes out his 10Ld like Greyfax does.

Edited December 19, 2017 by taikishi

[Drider]

I wonder if that stacks. jacobus gives greyfax +1ld, she gives a unit ld11. (now the stack bit which i highly doubt off hand without looking at the wording) jacobus gives the unit +1ld taking them to ld12. Make Jacobus warlord and give him the +1ld warlord trait, he gives greyfax +2 ld, she gives blob squads LD12, throw in a dialogus for rerolls. 

 

Breaking Sisters, One mechanic at a time!

have Celestine hanging out within 6" to give the blobs 5++ and all of a sudden you've got blob squads that wont break to moral and are potentially very hard to shift.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Drider

[Atrus]

Ha, yeah i was just wondering about stacking leadership last night. Nice if it worked that way. I think part of his appeal loss is from his losing his 5++ bubble to celestine.

[A.T.]

Breaking Sisters, One mechanic at a time!

For the cost of Jacobus though you could just buy a whole extra 10-strong squad of sisters (including weapons) - more than his +1 Ld is ever likely to save.

[Drider]

I never said it was worth it, but it is mechanically viable. Might be worth considering it if you specifically wanted to run 30-45 girls in the middle of the table. Even then I dont think the faith economy out values msu.

[Withershadow]

He is pretty awful. Should be 45 points at most.

[Mossback]

I'd like to see another command unit, somewhere between a canoness and Celestine. An honest to goodness Sister of Battle, not the shotgun hobo. Maybe, just maybe, when we get new models next year (Emperor hear our prayers), we could get saints from the major factions as a command unit. It would be awesome to take my sisters in the Order of the Bloody Rose into battle following Saint Mina. It would kind of break the lore, but GW doesn't seem to mind as long as sales are going up. I'm thinking a point value of around 100, but with some special shenanigans specific to the sisters in her order. Any thoughts?

[Servant of Dante]

Especially since the Order of the Bloody Rose was founded centuries after Mina was martyred :D

 

I’d use the Founding Saints models if they were made for historical battles, maybe, but I don’t want to see them actually in the current plot line, which they would be in GW released them. That would just be dumb. So I’d rather they just not touch them, but if they do make cool models I’ll just roll my eyes at thenlore implementation and ignore it.

Edited December 21, 2017 by Servant of Dante

[Atrus]

Didnt you hear? All the past saint have been chilling with big E in his little paradise in the warp for being such good little girls. Theyre all coming back like Celestine :p

[Mossback]

Especially since the Order of the Bloody Rose was founded centuries after Mina was martyred

 

I’d use the Founding Saints models if they were made for historical battles, maybe, but I don’t want to see them actually in the current plot line, which they would be in GW released them. That would just be dumb. So I’d rather they just not touch them, but if they do make cool models I’ll just roll my eyes at thenlore implementation and ignore it.

Excellent point, Dante! There might be a need for perhaps a lesser known saint for each order. I doubt GW would puff up our lore enough to actually do that though. The Death Guard and Space Marines seem to be getting an endless stream of named characters, so throwing a few our direction would be appreciated.

[Servant of Dante]

THey could just do the Canoness Superior of each major order if they wanted :P

[Aqui]

Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Jacobus =][=

[Mossback]

Sorry for the sidetrack. Jacobus is overpriced for what he brings to the battle. My personal feelings are he should be relegated to assisting the Militarum and Ministorum and give the Sororitas more of our own command characters.

[ERJAK]

Especially since the Order of the Bloody Rose was founded centuries after Mina was martyred :D

 

I’d use the Founding Saints models if they were made for historical battles, maybe, but I don’t want to see them actually in the current plot line, which they would be in GW released them. That would just be dumb. So I’d rather they just not touch them, but if they do make cool models I’ll just roll my eyes at thenlore implementation and ignore it.

Isn't arabella technically unaccounted for?

[Servant of Dante]

The fluff just says it’s unknown if she was martyred or met some other fate and the Order of the Sacred Rose refused to talk about it. Either way they were founded a long time after she was gone/dead. Personally I think there’s no way she’s not dead . . .

[Aqui]

Which has nothing to do with Jacobus. Back on topic =][=