GenerationTerrorist Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Hi guys. Does anyone have any experience of the MM-Fist Contemptor Dreadnought in a Deathwing list? Are they even considered part of the Deathwing? Or would you just run a Venerable Dreadnought instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I’ve only run the mortis version from FW, with two twin Lascannon it is often MVP. With the 9” move the DCCW version has merit, not sure about the DW keyword at the moment, away from my dex... GenerationTerrorist 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Fluff-wise, the only Unforgiven I can see in a Contemptor are going to be “venerable” ones - likely Deathwing (possibly Ravenwing, but they don’t really move fast enough) or Inner Circle. Anyone else seems like they would only be a candidate for a standard Dread. Rules-wise, I think you’d have to use that Strat that gives Dreads the Deathwing keyword (off the top of my head, would have to confirm actual wording). No experience here with a MM-DCCW Contemptor. Edit: Yes, you'd be able to use the Inner Circle Strat - 1CP gives a Dark Angels Dreadnought (which the Contemptor is, as is the Redemptor, actually) the Deathwing keyword and grants the Inner Circle ability. Helycon, Stoic Raptor and GenerationTerrorist 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCore67 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Contemptors are very good, although I'd probably stay away from the mm-fist combo. The stratagem isn't worth it unless you plan on having Belial or a DW ancient babysitting the dread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Yeah, you don’t really need rerolls on 2+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aradiel Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Yeah, you don’t really need rerolls on 2+. You clearly never saw me roll dice. Edited January 4, 2018 by Aradiel Othniel's Blade and Larkyn 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Yeah, you don’t really need rerolls on 2+. Rerroling 3s more like since weapons are heavy. I spend a CP for Leviathan to run him with DW keyword, worthwhile next to Belial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 TLLC don’t often need to move to find a target, and I always use heaps of terrain. Don’t get me wrong, rerolls are good, but this guy is fine. I’ll keep being happy with my rerolls for Belial and his friends and Sammael with his entourage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Whilst no longer rules correct, I'm painting Contemptors, Venerables and Leviathans in Bone. It just makes the most sense. Still feels like the Inner Circle stratagem should have been a rule. Not like it's a massive change really. Interrogator Stobz 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 The only real benefit of becoming deathwing for dreadnoughts or land raiders I guess are if you have Belial nearby anyways. But yeah, burning 1 CP to make a contemptor reroll failed to hit IF within 6" of Belial is not exactly jawdropping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenerationTerrorist Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Cheers guys. I am thinking of painting up two of them in good old DW colours. I'm more inclined to go for the AC-Fist combo, now that I have realised it is a S7 weapon rather than the S6 of the standard AC. I wouldn't really be using the Inner Circle jobbie with them. My list is going to be a pair of Vanguard Detachments (Azrael giving +1CP) for a total of 6CP. Comes to dead on 2000pts. Azrael Ezekial Cataphractii Squad with Lightning Claws Deathwing Ancient with TH/SS Deathwing Apothecary Land Raider Crusader with MM (All above HQ/Elites inside) Contemptor Dread with Fist/AC Contemptor Dread with Fist/AC Deepstriking with Belial Deathwing Knights Deathwing Ancient with Lightning Claws Deathwing Apothecary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Go double Kheres on Contemptors. It's silly and hilarious. You're going to murder anything from chaff to lighter vehicles with ease. GenerationTerrorist 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakybamsen Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I second the double kheres on a contemptor. Except as far as my battlescribe is concerned, that is only possible on the FW contemptors, not the codex (non mortis / relic) variant. Don't have the codex with me, so cannot check atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I second the double kheres on a contemptor. Except as far as my battlescribe is concerned, that is only possible on the FW contemptors, not the codex (non mortis / relic) variant. Don't have the codex with me, so cannot check atm. Yep, only possible with the FW Index. Works on both the Contemptor Mortis or the Relic Contemptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenerationTerrorist Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Nah, the Codex says may replace Multi-Melta with Kheres Assault Cannon, so a Dread cannot take two of them, by the looks of it. Would have been ideal (and 17 points cheaper!) I could do that instead of taking a Fist/Combi-Bolter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sharp Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Yeah, you don’t really need rerolls on 2+. Rerroling 3s more like since weapons are heavy. I spend a CP for Leviathan to run him with DW keyword, worthwhile next to Belial. If you're rerolling more than 1s on a full-effectiveness Leviathan, you are playing rerolls wrong. Rerolls happen before modifiers, so no matter how many -1s that Leviathan is shooting with, it can still only reroll 1s, as 2+ is considered successful for rerolls and are then modified with the -1s. The only time full rerolls pop up with Leviathans is when they are derped or are firing in Overwatch. Helycon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Yeah, you don’t really need rerolls on 2+. Rerroling 3s more like since weapons are heavy. I spend a CP for Leviathan to run him with DW keyword, worthwhile next to Belial. If you're rerolling more than 1s on a full-effectiveness Leviathan, you are playing rerolls wrong. Rerolls happen before modifiers, so no matter how many -1s that Leviathan is shooting with, it can still only reroll 1s, as 2+ is considered successful for rerolls and are then modified with the -1s. The only time full rerolls pop up with Leviathans is when they are derped or are firing in Overwatch. oh i guess my whole meta is playing wrong then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sharp Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdfIt's the 5th question if you want to have a resource to bring to your playing group. Unfortunately, that serves as a nerf for SMs, as it cuts into our rerolls precipitously. Edited January 6, 2018 by Brother-Captain Sharp Bryan Blaire and Interrogator Stobz 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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