Dagoth Ur Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Look at how the studs are arranged (I have no idea why they are rounded in one picture and square in another) and then look the the Leman Russ and grey hunter model. I am, and you are shifting the goalposts again. A minute ago, we were discussing the exclusivity of pyramidical studs as an aesthetical feature, not their spacial arrangement. They appear more rounded in some pictures than in others because photographing bright silver points on white background can be a bit tedious. They do not match aesthetically. It’s a forced combination. That is your opinion and you are welcome to have it. Needless to say, some of us do not share it. They are rounded at the tip. Do not accuse me of shifting the goal posts when I have clearly laid out extensive evidence to support my position. I am calling as I see it. You went from stating that those studs are exclusively SW in aesthetic, to stating that they are exclusively part of SW figures, to now stating that they do not fit visually period. You have laid out evidence for your position, people have laid out evidence that your position is not entirely true. It does not take a Cicero to understand this. That’s the end of it. I’m not changing my position as I have clearly supported it over and over with pictures of the models themselves. You are free to think so, needless to say, some disagree with you in this case, and luckily, none of us are the non-plus-ultra judge in terms of what is the absolutely correct aesthetic and what isn't. I am sure that you have noticed that you are not the only person that has used both art and figurine based evidence. You would not give an ultramarine sanguinary guard wings. You would not give a dark angel the Dynat model as a base figure. False equivalency. Sanguinary Guard Wings and Alpha Legion scales & nummerals are much more iconic and specific than simple studs which have clearly been reflected across at least two ranges figure wise and three legion identities art wise. Frankly, it’s clear people disagree with me more because they dislike me personally than anything else. I can’t post a comment on a thread without someone challenging my opinion for no other reason than they dislike me. I, for my part, cannot say a thing about your character as I do not know you. I immensely respect you as a hobbyist and a torch-carrier of our hobby, but, at least to me, you do have a tendency to turn very brash very quickly and sometimes even portray yourself as some sort of ultimate instance of judgement on matters of aesthetics, when such things are not as hard-lined and binary as you present them. Perhaps that is what is putting off people. I do not wish to step to close to you, nor do I wish to tell you what to do, I merely wanted to share an observation that perhaps others have had too and might explain your own observation. Or I might also be wrong, who knows. But anyways, I don't think anything more productive or on-topic will come from this conversation anymore and perhaps we need a bit of a breather. :) Fenbain, Pirate Brushes, Arminius_Warbringer and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4977930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Ok Folks. I'm a trigger pull away from handing out warnings. Rein it in or be prepared to take fire. As of now, the Mods are given free-fire rules in here. Any more non-constructive behavior and Impetro will make an appearance and we will stack bodies. =][= Arminius_Warbringer, Dagoth Ur and Runefyre 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4977990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilShah Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Changing the subject a bit, what other Legion specific models do the Space Wolves have left? We’ve got the amazing Primarch, Dreadnought and LS torsos, mediocre Grey Slayers, terrible Varagyr and Praetor and hypothetical Legion Specific helmets. Are the Deathsworn next? Hvarl the Red-Handed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I guess you can Geigor the Fell-Handed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Rumour was that there would be several Grey Slayer kits to cover all the bases. So if FW follow through with that, then more Slayer kits. Deathsworn Hvarl. So they are getting there. Just hoping they raise the bar a wee bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 For me, those shields finally make excellent Stormshields, certainly better than the ones on the Thunderwolf Cavalry. Might also make great Rhino/Land Raider/Stormwolf decorations. But then, I'm talking from 40K modelling perspective. The leather mask faces don't look THAT bad, certainly better than some of the Varagyr ones. Might use them for Lone Wolf models. Banner and torsos look great too, nice for character models in 40K. Finally, a Forgeworld offering for Space Wolves I can somewhat afford. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Agree with everything you posted KH, my only hope is that there will be more than one unique torso design in the kit or they put multiples of the torso in the kit. Gonna be a super boring kit with one torso in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Agree with everything you posted KH, my only hope is that there will be more than one unique torso design in the kit or they put multiples of the torso in the kit. Gonna be a super boring kit with one torso in it. Actually I think MK3 works very well with the archaic culture of the Vlka Fenryka. But yeah, some nice torsos would be great, because I don't know how to sculpt runes. I'm chinese, not nordic. then again, I doubt actual Scandinavians would know much about runes either. Unless you read Tolkien, but his elvish runes are influenced by Anglo Saxon culture I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Mark 3 works great for the Wolves and is my preferred choice of armour. The only specific mention of an armour type in Inferno, is the units of 8th Great Company selecting the sleeker mark 4 suits for their seeker squads. Actually I was thinking more that, if you look at all the other legion specific upgrade kits, they come with a torso for each trooper that you build, whether each is unique or all the same. I would hope that would be the case for the Space Wolves, rather than one torso in the kit and then blank torsos from BoP... Plus you get 5 different designs in the basic torso upgrade kit... As fro runes, you can buy 2mm etched brass rune kits from secret weapons and glue them to the model. An alternative might be to drill some shallow holes, which you fill with green stuff, smooth to match the body part and use something sharp like an x-axto or scalpel to carve the rune into the green stuff. My wife is Chinese :) Kasper_Hawser 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This kit (axe/shield/pad) will make me some boss mkII assault marines! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Be nice if they made some mkiii torsos for wolves. the mkiv ones are nice, but mkiii is just a better looking armour for wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Be nice if they made some mkiii torsos for wolves. the mkiv ones are nice, but mkiii is just a better looking armour for wolves. What about the extant FW torso pack? While it works OK, that's not really MkIV armour. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Wolves-Mk-IV-Torsos-Upgrade-Set Kasper_Hawser, Fenbain and Arminius_Warbringer 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenbain Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Be nice if they made some mkiii torsos for wolves. the mkiv ones are nice, but mkiii is just a better looking armour for wolves. Despite what Forgeworld's site says, the current Space Wolves torso upgrade set is MKIII. It has all the signature features of MKII/MKIII and none of the MKIV ones. Kasper_Hawser, Leif Bearclaw, Runefyre and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4978847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Mark 3 works great for the Wolves and is my preferred choice of armour. The only specific mention of an armour type in Inferno, is the units of 8th Great Company selecting the sleeker mark 4 suits for their seeker squads. Actually I was thinking more that, if you look at all the other legion specific upgrade kits, they come with a torso for each trooper that you build, whether each is unique or all the same. I would hope that would be the case for the Space Wolves, rather than one torso in the kit and then blank torsos from BoP... Plus you get 5 different designs in the basic torso upgrade kit... As fro runes, you can buy 2mm etched brass rune kits from secret weapons and glue them to the model. An alternative might be to drill some shallow holes, which you fill with green stuff, smooth to match the body part and use something sharp like an x-axto or scalpel to carve the rune into the green stuff. My wife is Chinese Not sure what you mean by secret weapons, but I get what you mean by "drilling" or "carving" holes and runes. Also the axes, despite their wooden hafts, are still nice looking heads, and can replace some power weapon heads like mauls and other plain looking power axes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4979045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Mark 3 works great for the Wolves and is my preferred choice of armour. The only specific mention of an armour type in Inferno, is the units of 8th Great Company selecting the sleeker mark 4 suits for their seeker squads. Actually I was thinking more that, if you look at all the other legion specific upgrade kits, they come with a torso for each trooper that you build, whether each is unique or all the same. I would hope that would be the case for the Space Wolves, rather than one torso in the kit and then blank torsos from BoP... Plus you get 5 different designs in the basic torso upgrade kit... As fro runes, you can buy 2mm etched brass rune kits from secret weapons and glue them to the model. An alternative might be to drill some shallow holes, which you fill with green stuff, smooth to match the body part and use something sharp like an x-axto or scalpel to carve the rune into the green stuff. My wife is Chinese Not sure what you mean by secret weapons, but I get what you mean by "drilling" or "carving" holes and runes. Also the axes, despite their wooden hafts, are still nice looking heads, and can replace some power weapon heads like mauls and other plain looking power axes. Secret Weapons is a company. http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=18 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343070-forgeworld-grey-slayers-upgrade-pack/page/3/#findComment-4979080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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