Legion recruiting during the great crusade

[bluntblade]

I'd put it partly down to early days, then.

[Laughingman]

I suspect most of the early casualties regarding imperial fists induction were to rapid hypno indoctrination and surgical shock, later ones to gene seed rejection and "live fire exercises" (having combat servitors released on you)... Other legions probably used vastly different recruiting and training standards that produced far less waist of human life. For example in Scars, Torghun Khan was originally slated to become a Lunar Wolf, but he underachieved in comparison  to his peers (but passed the training criteria) he was diverted into another legion instead of washing out....

[Master Sheol]

Hugh rejecting and casualties rates are due to the poor writing of HH books and Little coherency of the setting

Trying to find any logical reason behind WH30K/40K is a waste of time cause GW/BL/FW is not interested to give is a logical setting but to write some hyperbolic things to amaze the audience

[rendingon1+]

I have to partialy agree with that - I was under impession that French in PoD tried to hard to empahasize how "super tough" IF are. Some moments were just ridiculous like an oath taking (roasting your fist in fire till your flesh is coming off) or beast fighting while chained and untrained. In Scars (Terran recruitment metody) you got the more/most reasonable solution: you pick some youths, train them to the peak of achievable physical strenght, periodicaly test them and choose the best. No grimderp, just logic and practicality. Edited March 8, 2018 by rendingon1+

[Hesh Kadesh]

I suspect most of the early casualties regarding imperial fists induction were to rapid hypno indoctrination and surgical shock, later ones to gene seed rejection and "live fire exercises" (having combat servitors released on you)... Other legions probably used vastly different recruiting and training standards that produced far less waist of human life. For example in Scars, Torghun Khan was originally slated to become a Lunar Wolf, but he underachieved in comparison to his peers (but passed the training criteria) he was diverted into another legion instead of washing out....

This doesn't make sense either re Torghun. The contruction of a marine is based on their geneprofile, all of their organs coded to the geneseed they'd eventually recieve. Unless Torghun was pre-organ stage.

[Laughingman]

My understanding is Torghun was pre-organ stage... He was recruited at a time when underachieving aspirants (who passed legion  standards) were being diverted to understrength legions. 

[Kasper_Hawser]

 

I suspect most of the early casualties regarding imperial fists induction were to rapid hypno indoctrination and surgical shock, later ones to gene seed rejection and "live fire exercises" (having combat servitors released on you)... Other legions probably used vastly different recruiting and training standards that produced far less waist of human life. For example in Scars, Torghun Khan was originally slated to become a Lunar Wolf, but he underachieved in comparison to his peers (but passed the training criteria) he was diverted into another legion instead of washing out....

This doesn't make sense either re Torghun. The contruction of a marine is based on their geneprofile, all of their organs coded to the geneseed they'd eventually recieve. Unless Torghun was pre-organ stage.

 

 

Not sure I understand what you mean by "geneprofile". I thought the first criteria is that you are tough enough to withstand all the physical and mental trials that is required, and THEN they see if you are compatible with the geneseed.

 

But even before that, as mentioned in Scars, there seemed to be some sort of "scoring" for each aspirant which determined who went to which legion. This may also conincide to the legion needs at the time. as I understand, it seemed like Torghun scored extremely high but it just so happened that there were others who were higher and THEY met the quota of the Lunar Wolves first before Torghun was redirected to the scars.

 

Kinda like rejected by Harvard but then accepted into another somewhat lesser Ivy League university.

 

I never quite understood why Torghun was so emo about not being a Lunar Wolf. The Khan can't have been that bad even if his style isn't like the other more "famous" legions. Oh well, I'll let him rest

[Huggtand]

Going from memory, Torghun was training in a Lunar Wolves recruiting center so the training was for the LW and everyone of the youths was mentally pushing to join that legion.

 

The LW only needed a certain amount of recruits (say 20) that batch so when Torghun was on place 21 (still meeting the requirements for recruitment) he was transferred to the Whitescars.   

[Hesh Kadesh]

Going from memory, Torghun was training in a Lunar Wolves recruiting center so the training was for the LW and everyone of the youths was mentally pushing to join that legion.

 

The LW only needed a certain amount of recruits (say 20) that batch so when Torghun was on place 21 (still meeting the requirements for recruitment) he was transferred to the Whitescars.   

Yes, I understand that; just the question of whether the implantation process had already begun or not; and if it had, then I thought that the implants were tied to the geneseed to work properly - i.e, they weren't modular, and you couldn't put all the implants in, and any one of the 20 geneseeds; the implants were tailored to the geneseed.

[TheRealMcCagh]

Implantation hadn't begun yet. Toghun and Shiban undergo that part together, that's when they choose their legion name (Torghun wasn't his original name). I remember him commenting on the new scars and implants he has while taking his oaths with the White Scars, so it must have all happened post-White Scar transfer

Edited March 8, 2018 by TheRealMcCagh

[bluntblade]

I second McCagh and Huggtand

[Withershadow]

1-2% seems pretty bad, weren’t the Dark Angels running with a 97% success rate under Luther’s management?