Reserving Mortarion

[bozo69pd]

So Belakor can take heretik psychic powers right? AKA warp time. Reserve Mortarion, deploy Belakor with bubblewrap, rush Belakor up the board, DS Mortarion 9" away from target (within warp time range), apply warp time to Morty for extra movement and guaranteed charge. This works right?

[Qui-Gon]

Belakor does not have ALL the Dark Hereticus powers. Chaos Daemons has a Dark Hereticus table for him, and it does not include Warptime.

[Panzer]

Just take a mixed detachment with Daemon units who don't really need to be in a Daemon detachment to be good and add a CSM Sorcerer with Jump Pack or in TDA for Warptime. :P

[Marshlands]

Need a daemons detachment for the stratagem, then warp time can come from anywhere. If you have a CSM detachment Mortarion can even spend 1cp to swap a power for warp time himself.

[Stross]

It will be fixed probably, it was already said, that without "Daemon" Faction keyword we can't use any stratagems on Mortarion. 

[Panzer]

It will be fixed probably, it was already said, that without "Daemon" Faction keyword we can't use any stratagems on Mortarion. 

It got said by FLG who said a lot of things that didn't come true in the recent past. I wouldn't hold my breath. I also don't see any need to "fix" it to be honest.

[Finkmilkana]

I think it will get „fixed“, though i‘m not convinced that they will do it via faction keyword (as that would more or less invalidate their FAQ on that matter and would still allow deep striking the FW LoW).

Simply banning LoW/titanic/a certain powerlevel seems more reasonable.

[Commissar K.]

Reasonable while 10 Slaanesh Terminators with Combiguns is a-okay?

 

Dont think theyll fix it tbh. There are scarier things as Mortarion soaking up 2CP and forcing a Daemon Detachment.

[Panzer]

I think it will get „fixed“, though i‘m not convinced that they will do it via faction keyword (as that would more or less invalidate their FAQ on that matter and would still allow deep striking the FW LoW).

Simply banning LoW/titanic/a certain powerlevel seems more reasonable.

They could simply do it by excluding the Heretic Astartes keyword like they did with the Primaris keyword in the BA Codex in some cases but as said I don't think it needs to be "fixed".

 

There are plenty other strong alpha strike combinations in the game already and Magnus/Mortarion still need help by someone casting Warptime (or using a Stratagem to get access to it themselves) or else it's pretty unlikely for them to make the charge and they'd be eating a full army worth of shooting and potential charges anyway.

[Finkmilkana]

Honestly? I don’t find 10 Termins that scary, they are costed around deepstriking.

Not being able to shoot Morty before he is in meele and throws around Mortal wounds is scary. Doesn’t mean I think it is overpowered, but considering the amount of people complaining about it i’m still pretty sure it will get removed (*cough*commisars*cough*).

[Marshlands]

10 terminators with range are harder to deal with than mortarion though. A small line of chaff deals with Mortarion.

 

I don't think it needs a fix as it's actually not that powerful, but I can see the perception leading to it happening anyway. It's pretty disappointing tbh (but not necessarily surprising) if the playtesters didn't catch this during development.

 

A reasonable fix for me would be 1cp for every 8 power levels. So something power level 17 costs 3, power level 25 costs 4

[Panzer]

Yeah if I had the choice between 10 Slaanesh Termis with Combi-Plasma or a deep striking Mortarion I'd always take the Termis. 2x20 Plasma shots do a lot more for an alpha strike than a deep striking Mortarion on his own. ^^

You forget that without some outside help via Warptime it's very unlikely for Mortarion to get into melee the turn he deep strikes so you usually do have a turn to shoot him anyway.

[Stross]

Well, at least there is no doubts we can deepstrike Lord of Skulls, he is affected by locus and by stratagems (and can get full rerolls and Warptime, diaboilc strenght and prescience!). So, rerolls for charge and fight twice - I doubt that anywthing would survive that. And put a herold with Crimson Crown behind him. On any wound roll of 6+ another hit

Edited January 13, 2018 by Stross

[Finkmilkana]

You don’t deep strike Mortarion as an alpha strike by himself, you deepstrike him the moment the rest of your army arrives to make it impossible to shoot him while he flies over the board.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Need a daemons detachment for the stratagem, then warp time can come from anywhere. If you have a CSM detachment Mortarion can even spend 1cp to swap a power for warp time himself.

 

Yeah it is worth pointing out that those would be your three detachments at 2000 points. 

 

 

 

It will be fixed probably, it was already said, that without "Daemon" Faction keyword we can't use any stratagems on Mortarion. 

It got said by FLG who said a lot of things that didn't come true in the recent past. I wouldn't hold my breath. I also don't see any need to "fix" it to be honest.

 

 

Yeah and they didn't make a ruling on it either they made an argument that you shouldn't plan on it because of the lack of the fraction keyword. They're in a weird spot because the LVO is in two weeks, and I'm sure people are asking them to make a decision on it now. They should've stuck with restricting a codex until they'd been out for a month.