b1soul Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 ...to the setting (and BL) after Devastation of Baal and Dark Imperium. You know when you think you have a great idea, but need to have it peer-reviewed so to speak In all honesty, I would prefer Sang NOT to return, but if he does, how about like this? What if his return is somehow brought about by the remaining Flesh Tearers' blood being pumped into his body (or perhaps they offer themselves one at a time to a freshly risen but delirious/weak Sanguinius)? I think this might be the redemption and end Seth is seeking. After consumption, this blood-empowered Sanguinius would find himself carrying the intense memories of Seth and Seth's men (almost like Other Memory in Dune). Sanguinius would now have Seth's elongated fangs and feral bloodlust. The Sword Encarmine was broken by Horus. In honour of Seth (or because Seth dwells within him), Sanguinius arms himself with a primarch-grade version of Seth's infamous two-handed chainsword, Blood Reaver. He is now far more an Angel of Wrath and Blood than he ever was, even at the height of the Siege when he was holding the Eternity Gate. Guilliman acknowledges him as Lord Commander of Baal and Imperium Nihilus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Did this need another thread? I agree, should never happen, but when it does I'm going to the gym, and letting my sparing partner punch me, repeatedly. nagashnee, DarkChaplain, Felix Antipodes and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 i think a thread dedicated to hypothesising or shooting ideas on how it could happen rather than debating whether it should, has its own merit i think most agree that it shouldn’t that being said, i’d rather a new sang created. whether from sanguinor, cloning, cawl’s heretical experiments or whatever i’d rather it be a story about filling shoes than a straight up resurrection Gaugamela 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just boost Sanguinor to primarch levels and have it be the psychic backlash of Sanguinius. Putting the BA in a new debate. Remove the black rage and red thirst and also lose the last remaining remnant of Sanguinius, the Sanguinor. Sanguinius sacrifice remains intact and BA simply can't remove their flaws. Though they get their "primarch". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 What the.... Haven't read Devastation of Baal nor did I participate in the related discussion. Can someone give me an update? What does Sagnuinius return have to do with THIS chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 i could be wrong, but i think OP was just referring to the current status quo of 40k where it seems possible/likely primarchs are returning on top of rg. if anything, most loyalists have had hints dropped but nothing confirmed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagashnee Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Loyalist primarchs should stay where they belong....30k. 40k is not about re building lost glory but about the grim darkness of a failing empire and a dying dream. Sanguinius is dead and should stay dead. I simply cannot imagine a single plot line where him coming back adds to the setting. Death should have meaning, death should be final. If anything GW needs to kill more character off and introduce new ones. Not take another step into making 40k the Horus Heresy mark II. OP, your idea makes little to no sense, he is not lacking blood, or in a healing coma. He is dead, all the blood in the galaxy aint curing that, Edited January 13, 2018 by nagashnee Knockagh 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 sigh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4981849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 sigh Same over here. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob P Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Loyalist 'daemon' primarch maybe? His physical body could be gone but he can be summoned through the usual Blood Angels blood lust, visions, etc. This would create an interesting dilemma when it comes to restocking with primaris as the thing that summons him is being bred out (maybe). Dunno what the explanation would be for not seeing him for 10,000 years though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie40K Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Star Tek III Spock returns to life by s terraforming device after dying in Star Trek II. I heard that at the end of Devastation of Baal Guilliman tells Dante to terraform Baal. I’m just saying it’s possible because it’s been done before. Edited January 13, 2018 by rookie40K Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 “Father, hear my cry!” Pretty sure that’s what Sanguinius said a dozen times in Ruinstorm. I don’t think he should return. I was hoping for The Emperor to kick the bucket but since Old Earth and the whole destruction of Terra thing I can’t see that happening now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Star Tek III Spock returns to life by s terraforming device after dying in Star Trek II. I heard that at the end of Devastation of Baal Guilliman tells Dante to terraform Baal. I’m just saying it’s possible because it’s been done before. Star Trek is very much not 40k. C'mon man- are you like some kind of 40k rookie? Edited January 13, 2018 by grailkeeper Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie40K Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I thought Captain Kirk and Chaptor Master Angelos Of Blood Ravens were the same? mc warhammer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I thought Captain Kirk and Chaptor Master Angelos Of Blood Ravens were the same? ha! nicely done Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Loyalist primarchs should stay where they belong....30k. 40k is not about re building lost glory but about the grim darkness of a failing empire and a dying dream. Sanguinius is dead and should stay dead. I simply cannot imagine a single plot line where him coming back adds to the setting. Death should have meaning, death should be final. If anything GW needs to kill more character off and introduce new ones. Not take another step into making 40k the Horus Heresy mark II. OP, your idea makes little to no sense, he is not lacking blood, or in a healing coma. He is dead, all the blood in the galaxy aint curing that, Amen brother. I think GW understandably want to capture the success of the HH and move that into 40k but the Primarchs returning is a massive mistake in my view. New and fresh characters are what 40k is in need of. New Ghosts we can follow, Inquisitors we can get into their careers and theology. Good news is they have been doing this too with the Horusian Wars. If Sang does return in will only be in a blaze of glory and I would rather the glory is kept to mental suicide charges into enemy lines by guardsmen or marine squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob P Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Amen brother. I think GW understandably want to capture the success of the HH and move that into 40k but the Primarchs returning is a massive mistake in my view. New and fresh characters are what 40k is in need of. New Ghosts we can follow, Inquisitors we can get into their careers and theology. Good news is they have been doing this too with the Horusian Wars. If Sang does return in will only be in a blaze of glory and I would rather the glory is kept to mental suicide charges into enemy lines by guardsmen or marine squad. This thread is about how they ''could'' bring Sanguinius back, not whether it's a good idea or not. However, everyone knows the 40k Guilliman is a Tau shill! BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Amen brother. I think GW understandably want to capture the success of the HH and move that into 40k but the Primarchs returning is a massive mistake in my view. New and fresh characters are what 40k is in need of. New Ghosts we can follow, Inquisitors we can get into their careers and theology. Good news is they have been doing this too with the Horusian Wars. If Sang does return in will only be in a blaze of glory and I would rather the glory is kept to mental suicide charges into enemy lines by guardsmen or marine squad. This thread is about how they ''could'' bring Sanguinius back, not whether it's a good idea or not. However, everyone knows the 40k Guilliman is a Tau shill! you can’t stop me with your puny “on topic” actually reminds me of the time i started a topic hypothesising about what female primarchs would be like purely as a fun exercise. humbly requested that it didn’t turn into a “but female primarchs aren’t allowed” thread shortly before it was buried under an avalanche of “say no to female primarchs” posts and i never started a topic again. people are gonna be people ...to the setting (and BL) after Devastation of Baal and Dark Imperium. You know when you think you have a great idea, but need to have it peer-reviewed so to speak In all honesty, I would prefer Sang NOT to return, but if he does, how about like this? What if his return is somehow brought about by the remaining Flesh Tearers' blood being pumped into his body (or perhaps they offer themselves one at a time to a freshly risen but delirious/weak Sanguinius)? I think this might be the redemption and end Seth is seeking. After consumption, this blood-empowered Sanguinius would find himself carrying the intense memories of Seth and Seth's men (almost like Other Memory in Dune). Sanguinius would now have Seth's elongated fangs and feral bloodlust. The Sword Encarmine was broken by Horus. In honour of Seth (or because Seth dwells within him), Sanguinius arms himself with a primarch-grade version of Seth's infamous two-handed chainsword, Blood Reaver. He is now far more an Angel of Wrath and Blood than he ever was, even at the height of the Siege when he was holding the Eternity Gate. Guilliman acknowledges him as Lord Commander of Baal and Imperium Nihilus. i like the monkeypaw of sang coming back different and a bit wrong. less of a fan of the blood pump resurrection DarkChaplain 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Apologies yes you are right. Sometimes I read what I want to see, not good. My tuppence for the actual topic would then be best described here http://servantsofruin.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/40k-lore-theory-sanguinius-will-return.html?m=1 I think GW will continue to use the 10000 years of Cawls studies in the growth of the timeline and this makes sense using primarch dna on primarch. Obviously I don’t want this to happen at all.... but that’s another story mc warhammer and Rob P 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4982561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Yeah...this thread is about "if they absolutely had to bring back Sang and somehow you get to decide how, how would you do it?" Also, any criticisms or just comments on my idea are welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4984263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Sanguinius returning I have a feeling would be a form of Heresy and extremely suspicious to the point of actively moving to remove him by returning loyal Primarchs. The Primarchs knew exactly what happened during the Horus Heresy and knew the fate of Sanguinius because they lived it and more than likely saw the corpse. The only legit way he could return is through a clone or through chaos, as the Sanguinor which tends to be brought up is pretty much confirmed to be Alatron. That is, unless the Emperor can return and raises Primarchs from the dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4984359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDarth151 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Meh. Black Library has steadily eroded most of the investment I've had in the original sacrifice of Sanguinius, why would I care about keeping him dead? Yeah...this thread is about "if they absolutely had to bring back Sang and somehow you get to decide how, how would you do it?"Also, any criticisms or just comments on my idea are welcome. Have him be flat out resurrected by the power of faith and The God-Emperor of Mankind. It fits the biblical theme, the angelic theme, the vampirism theme, with an added bonus of all of the unbelievers *Cough* Roboute *Cough* being forced to question their own view of the universe. Frankly, if we are talking about resurrecting dead Primarchs, Sanguinius is just about a perfect narrative choice. Basically custom made to fit that kind of storyline well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4985177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Well ok, just a theory discussion. Already expected some weird shenanigans due to Devastation of Baal. Only way to bring Sanguinius back? At the side of Ferrus Manus as leaders of the Legion of the Damned. IMHO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4985259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Russ went into the warp to find the tree of life to heal the Emperor. What if it isn't capable of resurrecting the emperor, but it can save Sanguinius. Just a thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4985363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marine7312000 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Russ went into the warp to find the tree of life to heal the Emperor. What if it isn't capable of resurrecting the emperor, but it can save Sanguinius. Just a thought. This just sort of fits how I can see this happening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343296-my-idea-of-how-sang-could-return/#findComment-4988562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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