melbards Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 So I took the leap and bought a bunch of Death guard stuff. I am looking to build a semi-competitive death guard army built around a core of plague marines. I was wondering if I could get some advice on my 1500pt death guard army build: BATTALION detachment (+3cp) HQ-CHAOS LORD powerfist, combi-bolter HQ-MALIGNANT PLAGUE CASTER Troop- 5 PLAGUE MARINES 3 plasma guns troop- 5 PLAGUE MARINES 2 Blight launchers troop- 20 poxwalkers elite- 5 BLIGHTLORDS TERMINATORS 3 combi-bolters, Blight launcher, 4 bubonic axes, 1 flail of corruption elite- FOUL BLIGHTSPAWN -------------------------------------------------- OUTRIDER Detachment (+1cp) HQ- DAEMON PRINCE of NURGLE wings, 2 malefic talons, Arch contaminator, suporating plate FA- BLOAT DRONE 2 plague spitters FA- BLOAT DRONE 2 plague spitters FA- BLIGHT HAULER the plan is to use a standard hammer and anvil style strategy. The Hammer The hammer part of the force consists of the Daemon prince w/wings and 2 bloat drones. These move up quickly up a flank and put early pressure on the enemy. the drones protect the prince from being targeted, while the DP buffs the drones with arch contaminator (auto hit +re-roll wounds) The anvil The anvil consists of the slow moving poxwalkers as chaff, the two squads of plague marines, the chaos lord, the blightspawn, plague caster and blight hauler. the chaos lord buffs the plague marines and plasma overcharge, the blight haulers also buff the PM and poxwalkers. Plague caster will also helps with buffs and adds some offense. Anyone who gets too close will be hosed by the blightspawn. These guys move up the center field taking objectives and eventually supporting the hammer. The reserves The Blightlords will be in reserve and will likely deepstrike to hotspots and maybe act as a go between the hammer and the anvil. Adding another 500pts in the future, i'll likely substitute the plaguecaster for Typhus (to support the blightlords), 5 more plague marines w/ 2 melta guns, another bloat drone with Fleshmower, A chaos rhino (for the melta marines and blightspawn) and maybe a twin hellbrute with twin Las and ML. let me know what you think! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I like it. But Blightlords don’t need a flail. Give the lead a Combi Melta so he can do anti armor in a pinch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4981938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Flail is too cool for school :) Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4981965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I actually have found without the flail my Blightlords get stuck into ugly situations quite often.... but I guess it isn't mandatory, however it certainly does look cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4981975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 It's a 3 point upgrade over the axe as you also "trade in" the combi-bolter. Gives +1 strength, +1 damage, changes your attack profile to 2-6 AND damage can spill over. So you go from 2 wounds damage maximum with axe or sword to worst attack case 4 and best attack case 12 wounds with the flail.3 points. You lose the combi-bolter though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4981994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyslugger Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I take the flail in every game I use them. Helps delete whole squads in CC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4982116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbards Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 I actually like the flail for two reasons...It looks awesome and also helps the blightlords to deal with chaff units. I'm of the opinion that it is undercosted for what it brings (much like the blightspawn). Also the fact that the blightlords in my list are essentially there to be anti-infantry with only combi-bolters and axes and so the flail makes sense in this case. The only the thing that worries me about this list is lack of dedicated Anti-tank (a usual deathguard weakness) The daemon prince (7x str7, -2ap 2d), blight hauler, plasma guns and a bunch of blight launchers. The blightspawn and spitter drones can also provide AT in a pinch, but the blightspawn lacks mobility and range at the moment, however In a 2000pt list he would be in a rhino with some melta gun plague marines for tank/monster hunting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 My Blightlords have gone back to combimelta for that reason. I started a thread on it so I won’t get into details but my staple is melta and a flail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyslugger Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Played Grey Knights at the weekend (2k). Flail helped delete a LAS Razorback, along with the Strikes within it and then managed to charge Draigo (who killed Typhus - grrrr) and the flail which I swung first deleted Draigo (2 wounds left). Was a good game which DG won. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Nice. Draigo vs. Typhus is always going to be a stellar event. Glad you did so well, I don't think GK are nearly the bottom feeders some make them out to be. happyslugger 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hmm maybe I should look into a Flail, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbards Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hmm..Do you think maybe a single combi-melta on the blightlord champion would be worth it? I might consider a single melta, but I find that having 3-4 meltas or even plasma in the unit makes the unit too expensive (300+pts).... If the unit had better mobility, I would be more willing to swallow that kinda cost for a single unit. I've decided to go with a "Pallid hand" type paint scheme for my army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 meltas secure an average of one successful wound per volley, so it's really about how comfortable you are either rng. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4983927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyslugger Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 To be honest I haven't had too many issues just using plasma. I tend to drop them with 3 combi plasma, blight launcher and flail. I will pick a supporting target I want go and then drop in. You get 6 plasma shots (no overcharging) and two with the BLauncher. They do a fair bit of damage and then if they get the charge 9/10 they will finish target off in CC. Don't know about Draigo vs Typhus being fun.....I have lost that CC battle twice now. That being said the best bit was when he charged 5 man terminator unit and voldus into my 20 strong poxwalkers. They made an unholy amount of DR saves and then with +1 to hit and VOTLW they deleted 3 of the 5 terminators...who then became poxwalkers. Fun times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4984316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Wouldnt you be better of dropping the blight launcher for another combiplasma? The blight launcher has has less strength and less ap than the plasma so it doesnt really add anything to the shooting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4984365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyslugger Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Probably....but it looks cool so I can live with it lol, plus I have the other terminators from the EZB kit so I can remove the blight launcher model and use a different one (axe or sword) as combi plasma. We don't play very competitive...more for the fun. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4984386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Probably....but it looks cool so I can live with it lol, plus I have the other terminators from the EZB kit so I can remove the blight launcher model and use a different one (axe or sword) as combi plasma. We don't play very competitive...more for the fun. I actually like the Blight launcher because it has some great attributes. It gets very well with a few combos... vets of the long war, and people seem to forget it is a plague weapon so I usually take the reroll plague weapon command trait and I really find it works well with the Cataphractii. Plays at 24” and an assault weapon you can usually find range to shoot something. To be honest if I could take 2 in a squad, I would. Edited January 17, 2018 by Prot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343299-death-guard-noob/#findComment-4985181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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