Trunkello Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Hi guys. As you know the latest FAQ cured the Speed of the Raven strategem. (somewhat. we still have to guess that heavy weapons suffer a -1 to hit). But it did not adress the majority of the questions. My biggest hurt is that as of RAW after the FAQ, Venerable Dreadnoughts do not have the Deathwing keyword anymore and can only get it with a strategem. So Dark Angels no longer have any unique dreadnoughts. If you know any more rules that didnt make it from the index to the codex wich should have made it, or any other rule that was worded badly and could be interpreted multiple ways please let me know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I mean unless you were using them for melee venerable dreads gain nothing for bring deathwing. I thought the FAQ addressed the questions I had about the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesb_05 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Can someone link me to this FAQ please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonkeyman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just go to the warhammer Facebook or community site . We got out with out any nerfs and they fixed speed of the raven so not bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherTheFallen Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 My main complaint that I emailed them about was that Deathwing in cataphractii and tartaros armour couldn't also take a Watcher in the Dark like plain Deathwing termies and knights can. No update to that sadly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlmb_123 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 It's here: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/warhammer_40000_dark_angels_en.pdf Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Darius Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'd also really like them to add a Libby on bike entry. Not having it codified in the codex makes me nervous the current method of using him is going to change midstream. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Credit to GW for making the sensible call with Speed of the Raven. They have definitely had a history of FAQs that make one go golly gee. Nice to see them get it right for once. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJD Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The one that bugs me is that a DA Librarian is 8pl whilst the Grand Master of the librarians is 7. It’s an obvious typo why not fix it. That FAQ feels really incomplete. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLoquelan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'd also really like them to add a Libby on bike entry. Not having it codified in the codex makes me nervous the current method of using him is going to change midstream. I was going to say to how I have been working on a Librarian-on-bike conversion and feel quite confident based on the designers' commentary chart, but it now appears they've removed this document from the community site. The document they have doesn't appear to have the chart anymore. So now I'm nervous too! Edit: The new FAQ section they added does indeed have it, my mistake. I am very confident in making a librarian on bike, and so can you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxamato Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The chart is there: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf Or what do you mean? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isual Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'd also really like them to add a Libby on bike entry. Not having it codified in the codex makes me nervous the current method of using him is going to change midstream. I was going to say to how I have been working on a Librarian-on-bike conversion and feel quite confident based on the designers' commentary chart, but it now appears they've removed this document from the community site. The document they have doesn't appear to have the chart anymore. So now I'm nervous too! Don't know what you are talking about, it's still there. (damn, i was late^^) Back to topic: I'm still wondering how a enemy unit can charge you between your psychic phase and the end of your turn after it has been effectet by mind worm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 In theory RAW the empyric channeling stratagem would allow you to cast it on your opponents turn. Pre-nerf Ynnari could charge you on your turn as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLoquelan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The chart is there: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf Or what do you mean? My mistake, thank you! I was accessing via Google which did not lead to the new FAQ section. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4983695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I'd also really like them to add a Libby on bike entry. Not having it codified in the codex makes me nervous the current method of using him is going to change midstream. I think that's a reasonable fear. GW is pretty bad about creating situations like the one that the DA bike libby finds itself in, then making a sweeping change to something unrelated, with the unintended consequence that the model falls through the cracks, suddenly having no legal rules. That's kind of what happened with eldar corsairs. The FW xenos index only made rules for the basic unit represented by models sold on the website, NOT all of the units in 'Doom of Mymeara,' taking them from being a complete army to having 3 units that you could take in an eldar soup list, with the caveat that the corsairs units had none of the keywords needed to benefit from leader abilities, psychic powers, etc. They weren't targeting corsairs players with any malice, but the decision to do the bare minimum with the index completely gutted the army. So, yeah, the bike libby is on life support, and the power cord is stretched across a walkway at ankle height. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4984458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Speaking about powerlevel: I just noticed the fact that 5 Intercessors are 5PL, the same as 5 tactical marines. I know it includes any options, but you just have twice the amount of wounds and attacks, which is odd. Most of the FAQ makes sense. The codex was pretty clear about most things, save for the odd entry of the chapter champion and the poor wording on the stratagem. The units that don't have models are hopefully getting kits someday, but it may take some time. GW has been focussing on a lot of new stuff lately, with some revamps of Nurgle related models in-between to coincide with both the Death Guard and Demon's Codex, as well as AoS stuff they can do with the same unit. Those are 'easy' and safe sales. Just creating a Librarian or IC on a bike is probably a bit more difficult, especially the latter. The index suffices for now though and I'm not too worried going forward. GW have done well not invalidating models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4984776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Are there any FAQ/ERRATA that you want to see ? Are there any further issues in the current dex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4984834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I could go for a reduction in CP on some of our stratagems Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4984940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I could go for a reduction in CP on some of our stratagems The ones that cost two are generally not worth spending two points on. The only one I feel is worth it, is Only In Death Does Duty End. The rest is good, but not 2CP good most of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4984945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 And putting 3 CP on Deathwing Assault Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4984947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I mean most of the 2 CP strats are situationally good. Suspect scan can be great, as can intractable, or only in death. DW assault less so and the 3 CP attack again always feels like too much unless you had a big plan for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4985051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 And putting 3 CP on Deathwing Assault That one should be free. My belief is that the reason they are so expensive is that The Lion will Return and be able to regenerate 3 CP per turn I agree it should be free for all Deathwing units, but that would actually make them semi decent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4985124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varizel Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I only wished they added Interceptor rule for Nephilim Jetfighter since I felt at the moment that Nephilim and Dark Talon compete for the same role, a role that Dark Talon has an advantage imho. Doesn't help that the fluff for Nephilim supposed to make them an interceptor. Alas no such thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4985300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trunkello Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 My complaints are basically that in this edition elite armies are usually crap. They could balance this by giving them special rules ( not a mess like in 7th but as chapter tactics style) to make them competitive.Horde armies are great by themselfes. Elites couls be great by rules. Or stats but that wont happen. So deathwing assault could be Deathwing tactic. You only get it with deepstrike and only one time. Thats not very broken. I also find sad that Dark Angels has no unique Dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4985323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Auto shoot twice would be more broken then you think for alphanstrikes. It might be ok if you played pure DW because of lack of support. But when combined with other elements it would be super powerful. I think it just needed to be 1/2 cp instead of 2/3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343364-latest-dark-angels-faq/#findComment-4985330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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