toaae Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 How about those Nurgle? They can only do so many releases a year. Besides, what's wrong with Custodes? They aren't Marines and people want them so GW has delivered. People wanted Sisters of Battle more. A vocal minority wanted Sisters of Battle more. Nurgle has always had a larger and more mainstream fanbase than Sisters. Yep, Nurgle and Death Guard are probably 10x more popular than Sisters... He meant people wanted sisters more than Custodes, and no one can tell me with a straight face that isn't true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I doubt that, I reckon Custodes have much broader appeal than SoB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wargamer Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I can believe it. Sisters are an established, but neglected army - one can argue Custodes have no place in 40K at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I doubt that, I reckon Custodes have much broader appeal than SoB. Please, just look at this own forum. Since being added in September 2014, the "Agents of the Imperium" subforum for Custodes, as well as Inquistors, assassins, and other subfactions has amassed less than 17 pages of threads, while the Sisters of Battle subforum has over 23 pages in the same time frame. The only thing holding SoBs back from widespread use is their ancient, expensive, and hard-to-get range of models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockmaster Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Custodes are to your casual observer a new fancier version of Space Marines, which means big sales, plastic SoB would sell really well too but I am not convinced they would sell quite as well as Custodes. I would love plastic SoB though as I do miss my old army, so would welcome the chance to re collect them in plastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 You guys seem to using the same failed logic GW used for not updating armies. 'Oh this old army we haven't updated in years isn't selling that well, so it clearly isn't popular.' Of course people wanted more Custodes once the first kit wad released. They were new and literally shiny. But how many people do you know would bring up wanting custodes in normal 40k conversation? 30k? Sure. But if you think lots of people were clamoring for custodes before the BoP box came out you are crazy. Sisters of Battle have been wanted by a large part of the community for years and years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 How about those Nurgle? They can only do so many releases a year. Besides, what's wrong with Custodes? They aren't Marines and people want them so GW has delivered. People wanted Sisters of Battle more. A vocal minority wanted Sisters of Battle more. Nurgle has always had a larger and more mainstream fanbase than Sisters. Yep, Nurgle and Death Guard are probably 10x more popular than Sisters... He meant people wanted sisters more than Custodes, and no one can tell me with a straight face that isn't true. I imagine Custodes will be massive sellers. Amazing models, great rules, cheap to collect. Winning formula. A perfect post Christmas army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 How about those Nurgle? They can only do so many releases a year. Besides, what's wrong with Custodes? They aren't Marines and people want them so GW has delivered. People wanted Sisters of Battle more.A vocal minority wanted Sisters of Battle more. Nurgle has always had a larger and more mainstream fanbase than Sisters. Yep, Nurgle and Death Guard are probably 10x more popular than Sisters... He meant people wanted sisters more than Custodes, and no one can tell me with a straight face that isn't true. I imagine Custodes will be massive sellers. Amazing models, great rules, cheap to collect. Winning formula. A perfect post Christmas army. Hardly relevant. Everything GW releases now are selling like nuts. A redone Sisters line would have done better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 That's the thing... I really don't think so. They'd definitely be popular however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathspectersgt7 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Love the Custodes but have 10 already and I just have them to have them. They will never see the table top. They will be the PGs wet dream for awhile. Sisters would have been the better choice they have a large player base and it sucks that GW ignores them. Again. All my purchases have been bits and bought only 1 box of Intoscissors . So have saved some money The lore is mostly laughable but did enjoy DOB so much I am doing one of the Chapters wiped out Had pads made up for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamberlainskeksil Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 So I finished Devastation of Baal. It's okay. It's better than Dark Imperium and sort of directly deals with the discontent related to the introduction of Primaris marines. It's really clear though that Primaris are the future though. Devastation of Baal actually has a strange issue. It is of the most interest and appeal to Blood Angel fans and fans of their successors. But then largely deals with their near eradication and effective replacement by Primaris marines. I wonder if they actually thought that through. Another strange thing: Dark Imperium? Nope let's set that in Ultramar. Devastation of Baal? Actually in the dark imperium but other than the stuff around Dante's new job at the end it doesn't deal with the dark imperium much. Apparently Dark Imperium 2 is on the way as a novel. It will be hilarious if it ends up set in Ultramar again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I like the concept of Guilliman's return, the Great Rift, Imperium Nihilus I think the Primaris are a pretty cool idea Unless Cawl gets some major development, I feel he is the weak link Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 So I finished Devastation of Baal. It's okay. It's better than Dark Imperium and sort of directly deals with the discontent related to the introduction of Primaris marines. It's really clear though that Primaris are the future though. Devastation of Baal actually has a strange issue. It is of the most interest and appeal to Blood Angel fans and fans of their successors. But then largely deals with their near eradication and effective replacement by Primaris marines. I wonder if they actually thought that through. Another strange thing: Dark Imperium? Nope let's set that in Ultramar. Devastation of Baal? Actually in the dark imperium but other than the stuff around Dante's new job at the end it doesn't deal with the dark imperium much. Apparently Dark Imperium 2 is on the way as a novel. It will be hilarious if it ends up set in Ultramar again. We know from BA codex they have at some point reversed the decision to go all Primaris for the Blood Angels, as we know from that they are still making normal Marines at the current point in the setting for BA and their successors. I assume guy Haley wasn't told about that being in the codex at the time he was writing DoB. But it can be explained away by assuming the decision was reversed at some point after the events of DoB up to the current point in the timeline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 But if you think lots of people were clamoring for custodes before the BoP box came out you are crazy. Guess I am crazy then. I have been wanting Custodes models since the artwork of them came out in the Collected Vision books over 10 years ago. Plenty of people have been making converted armies of them, or armies of them using 3rd party models, since that time up until the plastic guard squad came out. I think lots of people wanted them before the BoP box arrived. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I think the biggest selling point for Custodes, the real thing that will help them sell well... is the model count. You need very little to run a larger point Custodes army effectively which could actually attract more new players than Space Marines could / can. And yes, people have been clamoring for a Custodes force for as long as I've been in the hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4993961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I think the biggest selling point for Custodes, the real thing that will help them sell well... is the model count. You need very little to run a larger point Custodes army effectively which could actually attract more new players than Space Marines could / can.What’s humorous about that is it’s the same thing that was said about Space Marines back in 2nd to even 4th Editions... “You can run a SM army with less models and less cash layout than you can for IG, Orks, and at least money-wise, Eldar.” Hopefully we don’t see something similar play out: Custodes become a very popular army, and are more powerful, so people start to look at them as maybe the baseline, GW feels pressured to alter things to get you to buy more, and the Space Marine cycle starts again, but this time with Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Hopefully we don’t see something similar play out: Custodes become a very popular army, and are more powerful, so people start to look at them as maybe the baseline, GW feels pressured to alter things to get you to buy more, and the Space Marine cycle starts again, but this time with Custodes. We already got Space Marinrines, would be kinda funny to get Custodedes in a few years time. Their selling point? The same as every PA army so far. Like the best, but even better. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Regarding Cawl, I too look forward to him getting more time in the spotlight (and perhaps a proper book of his own) but with the caveat that I don't want the plot to go like this: "Now Cawl, don't do the thing." "I'm doing the thing." "No, don't do the thing." "I'm doing the thing." "Cawl, leave the thing alone." "I did the thing." *HERESY ENSUES* "I told you not to do the thing!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 It’d be nice, since it isn’t like they are going to abandon the plot behind Cawl and the Primaris now, to get a novel that shows the working through of Cawl (and any team he had) in the development of the Primaris and their equipment. I completely agree, Fulkes, it’d be nice for them to have a little more reasoning than “He’s just a rebel everything engineer!” on display for anything we get on Cawl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I feel like Cawl's two mind wipes in the past could make for interesting plot threads since that means he's got project he's unconsciously (since he's split his mind to monitor all his different projects) working on that he doesn't even know exist and that could come back to bite him. And while Cawl is definitely a more Radical (and not in the 90s sense) sort of Magos he could bring a lot of threads there regarding the dangers of innovation, or just giving us a closer look at the Mechanicus as a whole in its current state. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I think the biggest selling point for Custodes, the real thing that will help them sell well... is the model count. You need very little to run a larger point Custodes army effectively which could actually attract more new players than Space Marines could / can.What’s humorous about that is it’s the same thing that was said about Space Marines back in 2nd to even 4th Editions... “You can run a SM army with less models and less cash layout than you can for IG, Orks, and at least money-wise, Eldar.” Hopefully we don’t see something similar play out: Custodes become a very popular army, and are more powerful, so people start to look at them as maybe the baseline, GW feels pressured to alter things to get you to buy more, and the Space Marine cycle starts again, but this time with Custodes. Oh, I remember. I don't think they'll go quite that far and abandon their poster boys (whatever form Space Marines are taking) for Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Oh, I remember. I don't think they'll go quite that far and abandon their poster boys (whatever form Space Marines are taking) for Custodes.Nah, I don’t think they’d do that either, I was thinking “alongside of” situation. Hopefully lesson learned though and they’ll keep things toned down on the “gold side” army-wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 ...Custodes become a very popular army, ... GW feels pressured to alter things to get you to buy more, and the ... cycle starts againI don't anticipating it going in quite that direction. Dilution like that would go in direct contrast to their current incarnation of 'custodiness'. What I think is more likely is over the next few iterations, after some pure custode forces have made a spash, is there'll be a rules and marketing coordinated push to dilute the golden giant forces with more and more Imperial Auxiliaries. Eventually maintaining a pure Custode force will feel like Calrissian trying to maintain a deal with Vader for Cloud city. Over time I expect the force to be almost totally deprecated as sales die off and market analysis suggests that any new players recruited by this vector have the nucleus of another force to build upon. This final withering is probably a decade or so out though, so lots of time for fun while it lasts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 How about those Nurgle? They can only do so many releases a year. Besides, what's wrong with Custodes? They aren't Marines and people want them so GW has delivered. People wanted Sisters of Battle more. A vocal minority wanted Sisters of Battle more. Nurgle has always had a larger and more mainstream fanbase than Sisters. Yep, Nurgle and Death Guard are probably 10x more popular than Sisters... He meant people wanted sisters more than Custodes, and no one can tell me with a straight face that isn't true. Yep, I was on about Sisters not Custodes or Deathguard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4994713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I dont know if this has been posted but Started to read the new Codex Adeptus Custodes codex, and came upon this gem, "The presence of the Adeptus Custodes also ensured that even the most traditional Chapters accepted the Primaris warriors into their ranks. One does not decline a gift from the Emperor's own hand, after all." ‘Through the artifice of the Martian priesthood were these warriors created. By the grace of the almighty Emperor are they given now to you.Silence your questions and instead rejoice at the honour done to you this day. You are handed the gift of hope by the immortal Master of Mankind himself, and you will accept it with sincere and solemn gratitud elest you be taken for the traitors that you profess to hate. ’ - Sanash Gallimedan, Emissary Imperatus to the Hammers of Dorn Chapter Accept or Die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343383-your-thoughts-on-the-primaris-and-lore-progression/page/21/#findComment-4996646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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