Mellow Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 After reading Primogenitor I couldn’t help but get this one also. It was completely and utterly brilliant. An amazing novel about Fabulous Bill. Trayzn I’m now convinced that the lore about him having someone in baroque Armour is the Fulgrim clone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 “What’re the odds that’s EVER going to come up in a GW storyline? Seriously, how can that even work? What, is this Fulgrim a separate creature, or is he linked to Demon Fulgrim somehow? Can cloning his body really clone his soul? Does he have a Primarch’s warp-potential? Is that a Primarch thing? What the smurf, man, what the smurf? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-4988830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 The Fulgrim clone is essentially Fulgrim with all previous memories as it mentions that the Primarchs essentially stored their memories in their genetic makeup so he has memories of events that took place with the original Fulgrim. Whether he has the “soul” of Fulgrim or not is not mentioned but I doubt it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-4988961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Also, regarding Slaanesh The noise marine thought that the birth of Slaanesh was caused by everyone singing its tune and that if everyone stopped singing then it would cease to exist. That opens up some crazy thoughts that if all it’s worshippers were removed it would never have been “born” and therefore the fall of the Eldar would never have happened. I find myself wondering if that would suddenly reverse all the destruction across their empire. It’s all a bit paradoxical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-4989043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 still haven’t read it, but found this online; His brothers sang, and Ramos felt the wraithbone flex and bend, growing and strengthening as it spread through the Vesalius. Like an insect in its chrysalis, awaiting the day it could be free of its old shell. Too, he could feel the ship’s agitation as its crew went to war. He felt every stray bolter round as it struck wraithbone, and the warm spray of blood. He could hear the reverberations of their chanting, in the dark places of the lower decks. He could see the garish shapes of his once-brothers, as they reacted to the violence and moved to isolate the tribal bays and access corridors. And he could see one other thing besides. Something impossible, and radiant. It came among them, as they sang. A great presence, heavier than the world around it, so that it seemed to draw in all light and heat. It stalked golden through the lower decks, and its song, so like and yet unlike their own, pulsed strongly in the depths. It was familiar, that presence, painfully so. Ramos had the nagging sensation that he had felt it before, and whenever it drew too close, their song faltered. ‘It is looking at us, brother,’ Esquor said, as he ceased singing. ‘I can feel it. It senses us, and wishes to find us.’ He shook his head, and his eyes were full of pain. ‘It is him, brother. But not as he is. As he was.’ ‘I know,’ Ramos growled. Fulgrim. No, not Fulgrim – the dream of Fulgrim. The ship whispered of it, of him, and that whisper carried through the wraithbone like a scream. ‘Ignore him. We have passed beyond such things.’ other than being a beautiful bit of writing, this is the first time a primarch depiction made me feel the way it used to pre horus heresy books Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-4990996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enosh Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 finished this today idk, found it to be weaker than Primogenitor overall, liked the beginning and middle but the last part kinda felt flat to me, all the heroes won too easily and the multi week long planing from the antagonist barely amounted to anything more than "try to shoot some people" also you can't spend 3/4 of the book going how marines are easy prey and then write the gladhound as being worried about them in the last part of the book to try and put some tension into what's so far been described as a fairly one sided affair, it's stupid when one part of the book contradicts the previous one. They outnumbered them 4 or 5 to 1 and marines usually have trouble with more than one in the first place and that's not counting all the other mutants, it should have been a slaughter even without Fulgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5004554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJF Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Finished it yesterday, it's definitely better than the first one, dropping Oleander in exchange for more Fabius paid off imo. The supporting cast were a bit weak though. I loved the feeling that the book actually belongs in the universe and doesn't feel separated. There are plenty of references to Abaddon and ToH and even Eidolon makes an appearance Shame that it's basically the same old traitor vs. traitor premise like pretty much always with these kind of books. It is sad these authors are too afraid to properly unleash the traitors on the Imperium and let them go nuts. 7,5/10 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5010122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Maybe that's got something to do with this still not being during M41 and not set during a Black Crusade or somesuch, where big incursions usually happened? Clonelord is set pretty long after Primogenitor, but not so long that the Traitor Legions are back to strolling around the Imperium on a whim. Especially not Fabius, who, as the book points out, needs the Warp's time-warping shenanigans to allow him to progress with his work. It simply is not a priority for him. That being said, we are in an age of full Chaos in present-day M42. The Emperor's Legion made that abundantly clear and stuff set in the current timeline will inevitably amp up the Chaos vs Imperium angle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5010132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJF Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Maybe that's got something to do with this still not being during M41 and not set during a Black Crusade or somesuch, where big incursions usually happened? Clonelord is set pretty long after Primogenitor, but not so long that the Traitor Legions are back to strolling around the Imperium on a whim. Especially not Fabius, who, as the book points out, needs the Warp's time-warping shenanigans to allow him to progress with his work. It simply is not a priority for him. That being said, we are in an age of full Chaos in present-day M42. The Emperor's Legion made that abundantly clear and stuff set in the current timeline will inevitably amp up the Chaos vs Imperium angle. Fabius' priorities aside, traitors and renegades are a constant threat to the Imperium. Raids, rebellions, incursions and crusades happen all the time. Doesn't necessarily have to be Abaddon's crusades. It just doesn't get represented in the BL books thats all. Instead the traitors just kinda always backstab and tumble over each other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5010156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It is said in the book to take place a few centuries after the events of Primogenitor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5010166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 This book was incredible. A good companion to the Black Legion series, and some awesome views of the siege, scouring and legion wars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5039723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 A huge improvement over the first one, which was plenty enjoyable in its own right. Reynold's tells a more unified narrative this time, and the book really benefits, and it's only helped by an almost over-the-top amount of fanservice. In typical Reynolds fashion, though, it comes across organically and somewhat subdued compared to what most authors might to with the same material. Fabius is great, I found the supporting cast totally memorable (especially those particular standouts), his prose never fails to impress. Maybe not a transcending piece, but it's definitely on the top of my personal 40k-for-its-own-sake pile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5050734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 This book was incredible. A good companion to the Black Legion series, and some awesome views of the siege, scouring and legion wars I know warp time shenanigans make it hard to answer this but is Clonelord set in the same/similar timeframe to either of the ADB Black Legion books? In two minds whether to buy this (and will certainly only buy paperback) as I found Primogenitor hard going. It felt really episodic and almost Doctor Who like to me (similar to Atlas Infernal). I just didn't like the smart Alec (Dr Who like) Fabius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5051942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 It feels less episodic. The ultimate destination, Solemnace, plays a bigger part and feels less tacked on than Lugganath did in Primogenitor. There's more of a central plot thread being followed, even if there's lots of traveling to the galactic east. Fabius is pretty much always going to be or consider himself to be the smartest guy in the room so I'm not sure you're going to get past that. Dude loves his sneering quips! That being said, we get to see him pretty shaken and at an occasional loss for words, maybe even humbled in this book. Partially by his old III legion brothers imposing upon him (Eidolon is capable of going toe to toe with him as a smart alec) but also by being forced to question his own grand plan, his feelings about the EC/Fulgrim, and his own staunch pseudo-atheism. RE: timeframe: It's set a century or two after Primogenitor, which was set quite a while (centuries?) after the events of Talon of Horus. It's hard to line it up exactly with specific dates but it seems to be set before the 41st millennium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5051980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Finished the book today. It was really great, even better than the first one, more focused. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5053777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtoncain Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Loved it. Now reading Lucious and seems a lot like junk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343562-fabius-bile-clonelord/#findComment-5056311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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