Joewavridr Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 So I went back over the new codex and noticed that we didn't have a strat for the chapter master upgrade. Does this mean we can not upgrade a company master to a chapter master as the reg SM can? What do I do if I want to field my successor chapter's master in a game, play him as a company master or use the strat from the SM dex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Use them as "counts as DA" or play them as some other Chapter in the same way. GW didn't give Unforgiven players a way to have a Chapter Master/Supreme Grand Master outside Azrael. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4988912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 DA successor players have been asking for that for years. Also, non Sammael bike masters. Just have to make sure with what we’ve got for now. If you’re just interested in building a narrative for your chapter I’d talk to your group about letting you custom make one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4988983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Successor rules make no sense for DA (and in general). We cant have named characters represent successor heroes. But neither do we have rules to make our own Master of second company or Chapter Master. Edited January 21, 2018 by Stormxlr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4988995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Honestly, the chapter master being missing from successor chapters is kinda bad, but there is only one Ravenwing, there is only one Jetbike in space marine use, and there is only one Deathwing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4989004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Successor rules make no sense for DA (and in general). We cant have named characters represent successor heroes. But neither do we have rules to make our own Master of second company or Chapter Master. There are a number of broader issues in play with this  Looking at our codex in relics of the rock there exclusively Dark Angels aside from 1 caveat, this means any further expansion of a successor chapter say in a campaign book won't overlap.  Also GW don't want to get mired in cross buffing issues the latest being the Fallout from the deamon book with people using stratagems & psychic powers designed for units from that book being applied to Deamon entries in codex Chaos SM units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4989056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Honestly, the chapter master being missing from successor chapters is kinda bad, but there is only one Ravenwing, there is only one Jetbike in space marine use, and there is only one Deathwing.Except every sm chapter can have a generic Captain on a bike, and by fluff we know that DA outfitted every successor with company worth of termintor armor. Currently successors have no way of fielding a chapter Master and in fluff we have met Chapter masters of successors even wearing terminator armor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4989086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) Everybody please post on the Warhammer facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/Warhammer-40000-1575682476085719/?ref=br_rs) and e-mail their rules team ( 40KFAQ@gwplc.com) to give your feedback. They listen to feedback, but only if you submit it! Edited January 21, 2018 by Syphid Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4989094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Everybody please post of the Warhammer facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/Warhammer-40000-1575682476085719/?ref=br_rs) and e-mail their rules team ( 40KFAQ@gwplc.com) to give your feedback. They listen to feedback, but only if you submit it! Done and done. But if they wanted to include the relevant unit datasheets it would have already been done. Im sure its not an oversight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4989112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizara Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 and until they give rules or special units that only certain dark angel successors can field, my DIY chapter will continue using dark angel rules and chapter traits since there are no other options in the codex.  That means, my successor game wise will still use special characters just converted up the way I feel fit and painted in my colors, and I will be danged if anyone tells me I can't use them since mine are not painted up in dark angels green.  Why...cause every space marine chapter is doing that by picking their own chapter tactics, and if they want Dark Angel successors to have that, then why didn't they come up with different chapter tactics for dark angels and their successors already in the codex.  That being said, it would be nice if I could create my own chapter master, especially since my successor is a primaris ultima founding one.  As it is, I am already converting a primaris Azrael stand in, sure he wont get the extra wound most primaris get, but darn it I want a cool looking character, and Azraels rules are better currently than a primaris captain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4989258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 There is only one First Legion...we could do with rules for chapter masters, but there is only one master of the unforgiven. I'd say it's perfectly appropriate to run Azrael in a Guardians of the Covenant list, for example, since he is their commander  And if Azrael orders Sammy to lead a force of Consecrators, that's fine, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4990064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It is very annoying that successors cannot have a proporre chapter master and master of the second Company It would bè simple adding two stratagems that let you upgrade a Company master to chapter master (getting the innervosire circle rules) and a Talon master to master of the second  That would bè not perfect but at least useful for the ones Who love a successors chapter Syphid 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4990753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 The talon master would be a bit more difficult to upgrade (different BS, different abilities) and at that point wouldn't you just use Sableclaw anyway. (looks the same). A stratagem for that change would make him a poor substitute for sable claw (re-roll 1s to hit, BS3, no Ignores cover, no relic weapon) and would need to make too many changes. The Captain to Chapter master works because it only changes 1 rule, and everything else is the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4990915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It is very annoying that successors cannot have a proporre chapter master and master of the second Company It would bè simple adding two stratagems that let you upgrade a Company master to chapter master (getting the innervosire circle rules) and a Talon master to master of the second  That would bè not perfect but at least useful for the ones Who love a successors chapter  Send an e-mail or FB post to GW! It's the only way they'll know there's demand for this kind of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4991124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018  It is very annoying that successors cannot have a proporre chapter master and master of the second Company It would bè simple adding two stratagems that let you upgrade a Company master to chapter master (getting the innervosire circle rules) and a Talon master to master of the second  That would bè not perfect but at least useful for the ones Who love a successors chapter  Send an e-mail or FB post to GW! It's the only way they'll know there's demand for this kind of thing.  I posted on FB, they replied and said use Azrael as Chapter Master for Successors and Sammael for Second Company. In other words they told me to " go f ur self" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4991627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphid Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Ha... They told you to ignore the rules... Oh well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4991646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Ha... They told you to ignore the rules... Oh well I might aswell start ignoring all the rules that dont please me :D Hoots and Syphid 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343577-chapter-master-stratagem-for-da-successor/#findComment-4991682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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