Thinking about trying an all knight list

[chapter master 454]

As someone who owns currently only 1 knight but 4 land raiders (technically 5 since one got given to my orks along with I believe a rhino chassis!), I am an avid lover of heavy weapons. These lumbering behemoths are quite the model to put on a table and to me look great.

 

However, looking into a list for them I am wondering what might be a good way of going about it. My current thoughts are to field 2 Wardens, a crusader and one gallant. Wardens for mid fielding, Gallant for just being a big pain that may or may not get to the enemy (which is fine, means the other 3 are still firing) while the crusader does crusader things. Possibly strap some stormspears on them, give the crusader a thermal for added anti-tank (because I do not put any faith in the battle cannon. Thermal covers anti-tank at range though nicely). With the chapter approved, considering making the gallant the warlord so he can have +1 attack and possibly bullet magnet better (giving up 1 VP effectively but better the melee boy goes down than my more potent ranged platforms).

 

What are the thoughts on pure knight lists, any good? bad?

[Frostglaive]

Is it good? That just depends on who you are fighting. Against hordes or armies heavy with anti-tank, probably not so great. You'll kill a bunch, but I doubt you'll be winning any objective-based games anytime soon. Smaller, more elite armies, I can see these big guys doing some serious damage.

 

Is it bad? Only if you consider having people angry at you for running shenanigans like this as bad. People tend to get triggered when fighting a super-heavy/titanic (and heaven forbid you bring two or more...). Mostly because, from what I've seen in my own local meta, people don't adequately prepare for these kinds of shenanigans. The only other real drawback to pure knights would again be if you're doing objectives (namely Maelstrom of War or any eternal war mission with more than 4 objectives).

 

Is it competitive? Doubtful. Is it fun? Absolutely! I'd say the Knights you have listed balance each other out quite nicely. Wardens for mid-range, Crusader for backfield fire support, Gallant as a warlord running up the table. If you play a game with enough points to bring a 5th Knight, I'd probably say drop the Stormspears and try to fit in another Crusader. Or keep them and go with an Errant (maybe another Warden instead? I don't know).

 

Good? Bad? All just depends. Fun? Heck yeah. But again, just be aware people will probably get upset over it. Because titanics.

[librisrouge]

Took 4 knights to a 14 person competitive event today and managed 6th place, so not terrible. The trouble always comes when a person is properly equipped to hurt knights. In Game 1, it was Custodes and Sisters, so he wasn’t and I took it handedly. In Game 3, he had a shadowsword, so it was a close fought thing but, despite really bad saves, I pulled it off with some wounded machines standing. Game 2 was against a very skilled Necron player that, in addition to seizing on me, she brought a pylon. I was utterly staved in and ruined. She had the tools and used them well and, aside from “roll like a god” I don’t know what I’d do different that would’ve mattered.

 

Knights, like all asymmetrical armies, encourage rock-paper-scissors matchups. But they’re fun.

[Battybattybats]

With the new Armiger Warglaive knights coming the all Knight dynamics could be getting a shakeup.

[DeStinyFiSh]

I guess 3 Knights plus a cheap Battalion is better. With 4 Knights you can not open a second detachment for additional CPs.

[clanfield]

i would say 

2 enginie seers for handy repairs

 

2 squads of vanguard  for close protection engine escort

 

Icarus onagar

 

and a 5 man sniper team of rangers with 2 aqubus for char assain

 

3 knights ...id run basic errant and paladin and warden with storm spear rockets

 

roughly 2k room for some other bits and bobs 

[DeStinyFiSh]

Never tried it, but that is a 1850 Knight list I have in my battlescribe for a while now:

 

 

++ Super-Heavy Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [75 PL, 1502pts] ++

 

+ Lord of War +

 

Knight Crusader [27 PL, 556pts]: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer, Heavy stubber, Ironstorm missile pod

. Rapid-fire battle cannon w/ heavy stubber: Heavy stubber, Rapid-fire battle cannon

 

Knight Errant [23 PL, 475pts]: 3. Tenacious Survivor, Character, Heavy stubber, Ravager, Stormspear rocket pod, Thermal cannon, Warlord

 

Knight Warden [25 PL, 471pts]: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer, Heavy stubber, Thunderstrike gauntlet

 

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [25 PL, 347pts] ++

 

+ Troops +

 

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 39pts]

. Ranger (Arc Rifle): Arc rifle

. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle

. 3x Skitarii Ranger

 

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 39pts]

. Ranger (Arc Rifle): Arc rifle

. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle

. 3x Skitarii Ranger

 

Skitarii Rangers [4 PL, 39pts]

. Ranger (Arc Rifle): Arc rifle

. Ranger Alpha: Galvanic rifle

. 3x Skitarii Ranger

 

Skitarii Vanguards [7 PL, 136pts]: Omnispex

. 6x Skitarii Vanguard

. 3x Vanguard (Plasma caliver): 3x Plasma caliver

. Vanguard Alpha: Arc pistol, Taser goad

 

+ Uncategorised +

 

Forge World: Lucius

 

+ HQ +

 

Tech-Priest Enginseer [3 PL, 47pts]: Omnissian Axe, Servo-arm

 

Tech-Priest Enginseer [3 PL, 47pts]: Omnissian Axe, Servo-arm

 

++ Total: [100 PL, 1849pts] ++

 

Created with BattleScribe

 

I don't think a 4th Knight does this army any better than the repairing Enginseers, shocking plasma Vanguard and 3x5 Ranger units for additional bodys and a bit of field controll.

[Aothaine]

I love knights!

 

Right know Knights are in a tough spot though. Because you either bring them with the Mechanicus, which is a good idea right now. Or you take them from the Index and lose out on some good stratagems. Chapter Approved helped a little with non-Mechanicus knight armies. 

 

I patiently waiting for our 8th ed knight book. I already have a back story for my Knight force and will have it supported with my Blood Angels and Militarum Tempestus.

 

But I want to run knights as well. I honestly think I need to just get into epic or something. I like have super elite small armies and Knights are just so damned beautiful!

 

The Errants are my favorite. That Avenger Gatling Cannon is awesome! 

 

The chaos Knights can have two Avenger Gatling Cannons. It is crazy!

 

Edit:

 

A new knight class is being released soon as well: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/26/new-codexes-factions-our-heroes-and-more-breaking-news-from-the-las-vegas-opengw-homepage-post-1/

Edited February 5, 2018 by Aothaine

[Lysere]

I love knights!

 

Right know Knights are in a tough spot though. Because you either bring them with the Mechanicus, which is a good idea right now. Or you take them from the Index and lose out on some good stratagems. Chapter Approved helped a little with non-Mechanicus knight armies. 

 

I patiently waiting for our 8th ed knight book. I already have a back story for my Knight force and will have it supported with my Blood Angels and Militarum Tempestus.

 

But I want to run knights as well. I honestly think I need to just get into epic or something. I like have super elite small armies and Knights are just so damned beautiful!

 

The Errants are my favorite. That Avenger Gatling Cannon is awesome! 

 

The chaos Knights can have two Avenger Gatling Cannons. It is crazy!

 

Edit:

 

A new knight class is being released soon as well: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/01/26/new-codexes-factions-our-heroes-and-more-breaking-news-from-the-las-vegas-opengw-homepage-post-1/

 

The gatling is on the Warden and Crusader not Errant. The Errant gets the Thermal cannon which is a very solid weapon.

 

As for knight heavy lists mechanicus is almost a must if you want to win since their Machine spirit resurgent stratagem is very handy. Otherwise you could have some fun mixing them with just about anything. I have a list idea with three knights and three custodes biker captains. Should be interesting.

[librisrouge]

I took the same knight list to an ITC event again and I took 3rd place. Almost 2nd. Again though, I found that a good knight counter is a solid rock to our scissors. I only lost game 1, but he had a Shadowsword so I almost didn’t stand a chance.

[Prot]

Those Shadowswords are nuts. I haven't played against one in a while but it can be pretty demoralizing...if I recall my opponent was using a Psyker to give it a 2+ save as well.

 

I've seen a guy on the UTubes basically challenging anyone to beat his Astra with one of these. It's just such a strong unit.

 

So how did the Astra Shadowsword guy finish? (I honestly don't know why I don't see more of them in ITC events).

 

I am much more inclined to use the new Knights (depending on their points) they going full out big Knights (I"m referring to Armigers)

[librisrouge]

He had a rough couple of games after that, particularly since he faced the lady that'd go on to take first place in his second game and...she had a Pylon! He played well, even was able to get one turn on shooting on the pylon with his shadowsword, but she made good saves and punished him for his inability to finish it in one go. I think he ended up in the middle of the pack by the end of the event.

 

I also am increasingly noticing that proper melee units can up-punch against knights easily. I only survived a foolish charge against a GKGM because he didn't have an invul. enhancement up. I got charged by a big unit of zerkers that only had chainswords and they attacked three times with re-rolls and almost aced a knight! If they'd had some melee upgrades, or an invulnerable save, I'd have lost handily. Assault Terminators are a terrifying prospect. I don't know how knights, outside of the Lancer, are really supposed to fight in melee against anything really capable of fighting back.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Those Shadowswords are nuts. I haven't played against one in a while but it can be pretty demoralizing...if I recall my opponent was using a Psyker to give it a 2+ save as well.

 

I've seen a guy on the UTubes basically challenging anyone to beat his Astra with one of these. It's just such a strong unit.

 

So how did the Astra Shadowsword guy finish? (I honestly don't know why I don't see more of them in ITC events).

 

I am much more inclined to use the new Knights (depending on their points) they going full out big Knights (I"m referring to Armigers)

I'm intrigued by the Armigers and adding them to three Imperial Knights.