Doubts about Primaris and size comparisons

[dread05]

Im gonna be honest about this. Im really new to this hobby. I have yet to play my first game, I just build minis and somewhat paint them. I started with a tactical squad of blood angels when I had no clue about the game. I built them and painted them. Then I got a second tactical squad, was much happier with the result, although I did not finish painting them.

Then I got myself a company command squad (I did not know then that this was an old space marine command squad with the blood angels upgrade bonus kit), but as the spoilers from the index of 8th hit, I decided to convert that squad to a company veterans squad with jump packs and plasma guns. I did a lot of kit bashing, but I had to use parts (especially the legs) from the command squad, and the models ended up kinda bland. When placed next to the tacticals (Which as I understand is a much newer kit), they look shorter, but I guess they squat more.

 

With the remaining parts, I did 2 captains, one with jump pack and one without and one company champion (and recently a lieutenant). I used legs from death company and tacticals from ebay, so they ended up as good (and as tall) as the tacticals.

After that I got two squads of Sanguinary guards and a Sanguinary Priest which I converted with one of the jump packs of the guards. I really liked these models, but I noticed that they are bigger than the tacticals and much bigger than the vets. Especially the Priest who's in a straight pose, is almost a head taller than the vets.

 

AND THEN, the primaris hit and I stopped buying minis for like 6 months cause I really dont like the idea of different sizes. The vets next to a primaris would look like dwarves. On the other hand the new models look amazing and I dont want to use old kits  when primaris kits are out there. I really cant decide what to do. I had several ideas such as 1) to never buy or add primaris units to my BA army. 2) to do a primaris only successor BA chapter, where I would use only my sanguinary guards* 3) start an entire new army, such as death guard or 4) start a new primaris chapter from another legion, such as dark angels. In the end, I dont want to give up my first squads, I wasted too much time on them, but I dont want to invest to older product, when the new one is so much nicer.

 

Sorry for the long post :P

 

*can anyone post a pic of a primaris marine next to a sanguinary guard please? I googled it up, but I found nothing.

[Xenith]

5) Rebase the older models onto rocks?

 

Models have changed size many times over the years - just compare a 3rd ed plastic termie to a modern plastic termie. The new one is like twice the size. 3x the size if you go back to rogue trader terms.

[dread05]

Rebasing wouldnt change something ,would it? And I agree that models changed size over the years (I've spent a lot of time researching this) but primaris are a whole new deal. True scale? its a proportions thing, not a height thing.

[Panzer]

I agree that the old marines look weird when standing beside Primaris. Not just because they are smaller (they are supposed to be smaller after all!) but because the proportions are just wrong.

However for me it's rather clear that Primaris will be the future so your first option isn't an option you'd be happy forever with I fear. On the other hand the current Codex still mostly supports the old units and the Primaris units only a little so that's not ideal either (tho it's what I'm doing with exception of some few HQs since Primaris HQs really lack options). With Dark Angels you'd be facing the same problem so that isn't really an option either.

 

It's a difficult situation. Things are changing and there is no right decision for now. I'd say either bite the bullet and have a mixed army with BA specific old marine units and some Primaris units to prepare for the future....or build a non-Marine army while waiting patiently for whatever the future brings whenever that might be.

 

On Sanguinary Guard specifically, they aren't that much taller than other non-Primaris Marines so you'll face the same problem there.

[barjed]

I feel your pain. I was in a similar situation. I have inherited tons of unassembled BA models early last year and have taken tons of time to glue and prime everything. After the Primaris were announced I was annoyed. In the end I have decided to switch to the Primaris for most of my 'regular' BA (Intercessors, Hellblasters, Aggressors) and keep the regular one for the more specialized tasks. Things like Death Company or Sanguinary Guard or even perhaps Flamer Tacts.

[Grotsmasha]

Here's how I see it. There are different sized humans, and everyone just excepts it (Ratlings and Ogryns), now there are different sized Astartes, and everyone (well. not EVERYONE) is loosing their minds. Primaris aren't (intended) to replace your SM, but to augment and compliment them. If you want to distinguish your two model types with differing paint schemes, I would stick with an official or DIY BA successor chapter as you wont need to purchase another Codex.

 

I am in the same boat as you, in that I don't game anymore (last played 3rd Ed.), and just build and paint the models I like. My suggestion is, if you like the models, buy them. Build them and paint them and worry about the gaming part when you get around to it :tu:

 

Cheers,

Jono

[Pendent]

Old marine models and Primaris definitely look a little funky standing next to each other- like sfPanzer said it's more a matter of proportions than size. I have a really simple solution to running mixed armies that makes a huge difference:

Simply don't have the models near each other.

The old marine models are I use all have jump packs and tend to be deployed very aggressively, while my Primaris stuff is going to be more in the back and midfield. As long as they aren't standing right next to each other you really don't notice the difference at all while playing.

[9x19 Parabellum]

Im gonna be honest about this. Im really new to this hobby. I have yet to play my first game, I just build minis and somewhat paint them. I started with a tactical squad of blood angels when I had no clue about the game. I built them and painted them. Then I got a second tactical squad, was much happier with the result, although I did not finish painting them.

 

Then I got myself a company command squad (I did not know then that this was an old space marine command squad with the blood angels upgrade bonus kit), but as the spoilers from the index of 8th hit, I decided to convert that squad to a company veterans squad with jump packs and plasma guns. I did a lot of kit bashing, but I had to use parts (especially the legs) from the command squad, and the models ended up kinda bland. When placed next to the tacticals (Which as I understand is a much newer kit), they look shorter, but I guess they squat more.

 

With the remaining parts, I did 2 captains, one with jump pack and one without and one company champion (and recently a lieutenant). I used legs from death company and tacticals from ebay, so they ended up as good (and as tall) as the tacticals.

 

After that I got two squads of Sanguinary guards and a Sanguinary Priest which I converted with one of the jump packs of the guards. I really liked these models, but I noticed that they are bigger than the tacticals and much bigger than the vets. Especially the Priest who's in a straight pose, is almost a head taller than the vets.

 

AND THEN, the primaris hit and I stopped buying minis for like 6 months cause I really dont like the idea of different sizes. The vets next to a primaris would look like dwarves. On the other hand the new models look amazing and I dont want to use old kits  when primaris kits are out there. I really cant decide what to do. I had several ideas such as 1) to never buy or add primaris units to my BA army. 2) to do a primaris only successor BA chapter, where I would use only my sanguinary guards* 3) start an entire new army, such as death guard or 4) start a new primaris chapter from another legion, such as dark angels. In the end, I dont want to give up my first squads, I wasted too much time on them, but I dont want to invest to older product, when the new one is so much nicer.

 

Sorry for the long post

 

*can anyone post a pic of a primaris marine next to a sanguinary guard please? I googled it up, but I found nothing.

 

My strong advice:

 

Just convince yourself that the 20 Tactical marines you assembled and painted were..."Exploratory purchases."  Give/trade/sell them to someone else, and if you get something in return, great, if you don't, don't worry about that either.

 

Seriously, 20 models are NOTHING in this hobby.  Your paintjobs on them are probably terrible. I'm not trying to insult you, but you will look back at those models in a year and be like "Yikes, how was I ever this bad?" and you most likely won't use them anyway.

 

Primaris is the way of the future. If anyone was starting in to the hobby now, and had the scale problems you do (which I share), I would tell them to avoid old-school Marines and go all in with Primaris.  I'm in the opposite camp, unfortunately, I have somewhere around 200 regular Blood Angels and 20 vehicles, and can't be bothered to switch out to Primaris, so it's going to be all OG Marines until they tell me I can't use them anymore.

[dread05]

Primaris is the way of the future. If anyone was starting in to the hobby now, and had the scale problems you do (which I share), I would tell them to avoid old-school Marines and go all in with Primaris

 

 

This is what I was trying to say. And I dont really mind on the tacticals, but the sanguinary guards. They're my favourite models so far from any other space marine model. That's why I asked for a photo with them standing side by side if anyone has one. I wanna see if the're passable.

[9x19 Parabellum]

 

Primaris is the way of the future. If anyone was starting in to the hobby now, and had the scale problems you do (which I share), I would tell them to avoid old-school Marines and go all in with Primaris

 

 

This is what I was trying to say. And I dont really mind on the tacticals, but the sanguinary guards. They're my favourite models so far from any other space marine model. That's why I asked for a photo with them standing side by side if anyone has one. I wanna see if the're passable.

 

 

I don't, but if I remember I'll try to do one when I get home.

Regardless, I would imagine in the future, each army will get Primaris versions of all their signature units.  You just might have to wait some time.

[Panzer]

I don't think we'll get Primaris versions of our signature units. We already know that the designer are kinda sick of having to design the same unit over and over again just slightly different each time. I rather think that we're getting Primaris units that fill a similar role but are their own thing.

[brother_b]

Here you go:

OLD School mini start of 40K (yup SW)- First plastic mini Space marines- Next generation space marines- New BA kit- Primaris

I'm not sure the years of the models. The "next generation" SM was part of a devastator squad. I think the old ones all date from early to mid 90s. The newer BA kit and primaris don't look that bad next to each other, and definitely don't look bad on the battlefield.

It's part of the lore now, primaris are bigger. The lore and "time frame" of my army is post Baal. The chapter has been shaken up. New captains, Lts., and heroes to be forged from the remains. The primaris marines have been accepted with open arms.

I don't think we'll get Primaris versions of our signature units. We already know that the designer are kinda sick of having to design the same unit over and over again just slightly different each time. I rather think that we're getting Primaris units that fill a similar role but are their own thing.

I disagree. I think in the future we'll see BA specific primaris, like a DC mini. I don't think it'll be anytime soon though.

At the least we'll see upgrade sprues like we've already seen for BA/DA/UM.

[Panzer]

Here you go:

OLD School mini start of 40K (yup SW)- First plastic mini Space marines- Next generation space marines- New BA kit- Primaris

I'm not sure the years of the models. The "next generation" SM was part of a devastator squad. I think the old ones all date from early to mid 90s. The newer BA kit and primaris don't look that bad next to each other, and definitely don't look bad on the battlefield.

It's part of the lore now, primaris are bigger. The lore and "time frame" of my army is post Baal. The chapter has been shaken up. New captains, Lts., and heroes to be forged from the remains. The primaris marines have been accepted with open arms.

I don't think we'll get Primaris versions of our signature units. We already know that the designer are kinda sick of having to design the same unit over and over again just slightly different each time. I rather think that we're getting Primaris units that fill a similar role but are their own thing.

I disagree. I think in the future we'll see BA specific primaris, like a DC mini. I don't think it'll be anytime soon though.

At the least we'll see upgrade sprues like we've already seen for BA/DA/UM.

I didn't say there won't be BA specific Primaris.

Also the OP specifically asked for a comparison with Sanguinary Guard, not with other old Marines. ;)

[dread05]

Another idea would be to do some terminators in the meanwhile

[brother_b]

Here you go:

OLD School mini start of 40K (yup SW)- First plastic mini Space marines- Next generation space marines- New BA kit- Primaris

I'm not sure the years of the models. The "next generation" SM was part of a devastator squad. I think the old ones all date from early to mid 90s. The newer BA kit and primaris don't look that bad next to each other, and definitely don't look bad on the battlefield.

It's part of the lore now, primaris are bigger. The lore and "time frame" of my army is post Baal. The chapter has been shaken up. New captains, Lts., and heroes to be forged from the remains. The primaris marines have been accepted with open arms.

I don't think we'll get Primaris versions of our signature units. We already know that the designer are kinda sick of having to design the same unit over and over again just slightly different each time. I rather think that we're getting Primaris units that fill a similar role but are their own thing.

I disagree. I think in the future we'll see BA specific primaris, like a DC mini. I don't think it'll be anytime soon though.

At the least we'll see upgrade sprues like we've already seen for BA/DA/UM.

I didn't say there won't be BA specific Primaris.

Also the OP specifically asked for a comparison with Sanguinary Guard, not with other old Marines.

Well, you said no signature units, I said specific. Fact of the matter is I believe we will see signature miniatures for BA, including DC.

Now off I go to take the requested miniature comparison photo!

Edit:

Edited January 22, 2018 by brother_b

[Panzer]

Yep, about as big as other BA Marines after all. Just looks a bit bigger due all the bling and wings. ^^

[Xenith]

Rebasing wouldnt change something ,would it? 

 

5) Rebase the older models onto rocks?

 

Emphasis mine :)