Nurgle heralds quandary

[sunspear]

So with the scrivener and sloppity, is there a place for the poxbringer? I'm trying to work out a list and with the heralds being HQs I'm finding it hard to fit all of this into the army so I'm thinking about leaving the poxbringers out.

Any suggestions from more experienced gamers?

[MarshallRigaud]

Poxbringers still give the +1 strength to the plaguebearers units, and it's another psychic battery, where as the others don't get powers. I still think they are very worth bringing if your running big blobs of Plague bearers. I've been running all three in a supreme command detachment with a prince and GUO as the battalion hq slots.2 big blobs of PB 30 strong and 6 gurgling for troops. Fill the rest with whatever you like.

[Finkmilkana]

Overall, the poxbringer is still the best unit. It has the best profile, is a psyker and buffs everyone, giving plaguebearer and nurglings effectively +1 to wound against most targets they are fighting.

 

The scrivener seems to be better at buffing plaguebearer and almost mandatory if you want to walk them up the board, but doesn’t do anything for the rest of the army. Sadly drones don’t have the plaguebearer keyword.

 

The piper ist a bit strange and needs to be carried by his auras as his profile is simply terrible. The moral aura can be great, but you need to roll a lot of morale checks (or get very lucky with icons) before it is enough to pay his points. The additional fleeing model is ok, but worse than -1 leadership and useless against many armies that don’t have the habit of failing moral. The other aura can pay itself if you spam nurglings, as 5 nurglings and a piper deal more damage than 9 nurglings. But the poxwalker is more important here, roughly doubling nurgling damage against t4 while the piper only brings 25%. The buff to GUO is ok if you already have both of them for other reasons, but 1 more attack for 60 is not worth it on its own.

 

Overall I think the poxwalker is still by far the best unit, but the scrivener is also very important. The piper depends on your army composition. If they would all be psykers, this would be different.

 

I would usually say pure nurgle at 2000 usually needs at least 2 powewalkers and one scrivener.

[Wolf Lord Loki]

I thought id add this on here rather than starting a new topic.

 

What warlord traits would you consider using with the heralds (rather than the Guo or named nurgle characters) and why?

[Shockmaster]

I thought id add this on here rather than starting a new topic.

 

What warlord traits would you consider using with the heralds (rather than the Guo or named nurgle characters) and why?

 

I prefer the -1 to hit when being attacked by a unit with 7 inches, as I like to get my Poxbringer stuck in, not saying it is statistically the best but it has worked well for me.

[DeStinyFiSh]

I can't see a reason to make a Herold the Warlord when you could get a Prince for that job.

 

That said, I think a Herold of Nurgle with the Relic sword (Corruption?) is a nice little charakter :)

[Wolf Lord Loki]

I can't see a reason to make a Herold the Warlord when you could get a Prince for that job.

 

That said, I think a Herold of Nurgle with the Relic sword (Corruption?) is a nice little charakter :)

Im a bit old school, i remember when daemon princes were considered the scum of the daemon world because daemons didnt consider them True Daemons just fancy mortals so i wouldnt take one as a warlord

Although that doesnt apear to be part of the fluff any more.

 

Plus i have heralds good to go.... I still need to build my daemon prince! ;-)

[Shockmaster]

 

I can't see a reason to make a Herold the Warlord when you could get a Prince for that job.

 

That said, I think a Herold of Nurgle with the Relic sword (Corruption?) is a nice little charakter

Im a bit old school, i remember when daemon princes were considered the scum of the daemon world because daemons didnt consider them True Daemons just fancy mortals so i wouldnt take one as a warlord

Although that doesnt apear to be part of the fluff any more.

 

Plus i have heralds good to go.... I still need to build my daemon prince! ;-)

 

 

I had forgotten that bit of background material but now you have reminded me consider it back in my head canon even if GW have scrapped it from the official fluff.

 

My Daemon Prince is now only allowed to lead the DG side of my army. 

[Panzer]

It always depends on your narrative. Your armys Daemon Prince could have done things to earn the loyality of the neverborn or simply is powerful enough to make them do his bidding. So many possibilities.

[Shockmaster]

It always depends on your narrative. Your armys Daemon Prince could have done things to earn the loyality of the neverborn or simply is powerful enough to make them do his bidding. So many possibilities.

 

Well yeah, obviously there are always exceptions and different narratives to pretty much anything in 40k, that is the beauty of the setting.

 

I am not sure either Wolf Lord Loki or myself meant to imply that someone is wrong for having a Daemon Prince lead their Daemon army, he just reminded me of that bit of former background material that I personally love too, so as a more Narrative player, I will now restrict my Daemon Prince to leading my Death Guard. 

Edited February 7, 2018 by Shockmaster

[Commissar K.]

Any suggestions from more experienced gamers?

Cut the middle guys, play Epidemichan.

[bozo69pd]

I can't see a reason to make a Herold the Warlord when you could get a Prince for that job.

 

That said, I think a Herold of Nurgle with the Relic sword (Corruption?) is a nice little charakter

Opponents tend to hunt Daemon Princes because they are so nasty. If your opponent is actually spending all his resources trying to kill your PB blobs to get to the HoN warlord, excellent.

 

I always bring a DG outrider detachment with 3 spitter drones because the HoN aura buffs their weapons. DS the HoN + PB blob into your opponents face while the spitterdrones rush in to support. Works great as long as you deployed your nurglings properly to give yourself good board control.

Edited February 13, 2018 by bozo69pd

[DuskRaider]

IMO C: Daemons DPs are actually worse than DG, mainly because they take up an HQ slot that could be filled by something that buffs the army (Heralds) or is a better beatstick (GUO, albeit a bit slower). They should have stayed in the Heavy slot where there was less competition.

[bozo69pd]

IMO C: Daemons DPs are actually worse than DG, mainly because they take up an HQ slot that could be filled by something that buffs the army (Heralds) or is a better beatstick (GUO, albeit a bit slower). They should have stayed in the Heavy slot where there was less competition.

That is what a supreme command detachment is for. They have more utility though because they are characters and can be protected as such... however when an enemy dedicates themselves to killing them and their body guards they are probably going to go down.

[Closet Skeleton]

Im a bit old school, i remember when daemon princes were considered the scum of the daemon world because daemons didnt consider them True Daemons just fancy mortals so i wouldnt take one as a warlord

Although that doesnt apear to be part of the fluff any more.

 

Plus i have heralds good to go.... I still need to build my daemon prince! ;-)

 

 

I had forgotten that bit of background material but now you have reminded me consider it back in my head canon even if GW have scrapped it from the official fluff.

 

My Daemon Prince is now only allowed to lead the DG side of my army. 

 

 

That dates back only to 5th edition and really makes no sense. Daemon Princes rule daemon worlds, of course they have tons of daemon minions. Angron is a daemon prince and has bloodthirster body guards, greater daemons reducing princes to heavy support choices was backwards nonsense made up to sell kits.

 

Until 5th edition Daemon princes always had better stats than Greater Daemons.

 

The 6th edition book changed 5th edition's "daemons look down on Daemon Princes due to their mortal origins" to the more specific "Greater Daemons" and the 8th ed book repeats that along with most of the 6th ed fluff text so its still sort of 'canon'.

 

IMO C: Daemons DPs are actually worse than DG, mainly because they take up an HQ slot that could be filled by something that buffs the army (Heralds) or is a better beatstick (GUO, albeit a bit slower). They should have stayed in the Heavy slot where there was less competition.

 

A ruler of an entire planet is not a heavy support choice. Daemon Princes of Chaos are the most reliable source of rerolls in the Daemons codex.

[Vilicate]

Man I love my Poxbringer - he buffs all the daemons (especially my Daemon Engines) to be even more amazing.  Thank god for S:User flamers!

[Wolf Lord Loki]

@skeleton you may have a point. I never used to follow choas in that much depth.

 

However primarchs dont really fit into the standard daemon prince roll as they were said to be the equal of many greater daemons while still technically mortal. And if you believe some of the ideas out there they were fashioned from the powers of the Four anyway.

 

Its all perspective. A daemon prince is a god amongst mortal- he may rule a world and have dedicated himself to a god but a daemon, born of one of the 4, might still look upon him as 'only a mortal', a favoured mortal but still one never the less

 

They may humour the mortal because he has their gods favour but thats all

 

 

Ultimately, Its how you want to play you models. I like the idea of mortal assended daemon princes being low in the order of the daemonic world (he would still be one of the lords of the legion tho) and that will be how I play him. I will respect your right to have you prince be lord of your daemons (you never know he may be a 'Prince amongst Daemons' rather than a mortal....)

 

Just dont expect me to bow to the low-born scum!! ;-)

[DuskRaider]

Yeah, Daemon Princes are kind of frowned upon by actual Daemons. They're seen as counterfeit.