deadangel101 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Thinking of starting a Raven Guard army and would like some feedback on the list I cooked up. My group is pretty competitive, so all manner of shenanigans are permitted. Outrider Detachment: 129 Captain w Jump Pack: combi-plasma, thunder hammer, armor indomitus, warlord - iron resolve 135 3 Inceptors: assault bolters 135 3 Inceptors: assault bolters 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators Vanguard Detachment: 124 Captain w Jump Pack: combi-melta, power fist 111 3 Aggressors: boltstorm & fragstorm 111 3 Aggressors: boltstorm & fragstorm 111 3 Aggressors: boltstorm & fragstorm Air Wing Detachment: 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 204 Stormtalon: lascannons Comments and criticism welcome duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Quirky different and lots of dakka I love it! :D Can't say how effective it will be though you do lack bodies but will pack a hell of a alpha / beta strike if you deploy correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4992839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyNidus Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think your army will not be able to function as hoped. In matched play, you need to have at least half of your units deployed on the table at the end of the deployment phase. As it stands, you've got 3 units which will still be able to function deployed normally (the 3 Stormtalons). Unless you're planning to deepstrike those inceptors, i don't see them surviving very long. Likewise, those aggressors will not be able to make effective use of their weapons if they have to footslog across the table. I know you'd want to use SftS to get those aggressors closer, but that also means they are "in reserve" until the beginning of the first battle round.So, you've got to have some units deployed normally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4992860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I really cant stand the combi plasma on your captain. Do you really to have him die horribly rolling 1s? You could get a stormshield for the price of a combiplasma and make it the shield eternal. This is much much better. Overall I think you will struggle against hordes and in Maelstrom since your model count is low. You got a ton of firepower though. I wouldn't want to go second against that army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4992906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Don't Captains reroll "1s"? Unlike some, I like Inceptors ... not as much as you apparently, but I'm not sure anyone does :) Deployment issues aside, I would worry about over-specialization and lack of table wounds. You have a the equivalent of two Intercessor squads and three flyers. I use to play Grey Knights though so I know specialty armies can work on a low body count. You just have to be able to handle a scalpel really well to make it work. Best of luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4992936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Yeah, the Captain gives himself rerolls as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4992989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure this is a final draft. The Aggressors are bugging me. I think I'll swap them out for something more long ranged so they can start on the board with no worries. Still thinking about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4993131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Rerolls 1 or not I still dont like it. There are lots of things that can dish out -1 to hit and a even 2+ rerollable is a 1/36 chance to die. This of course goes up if you rapid fire. If you can scrounge up 4 points then switch to melta or just go with the stormshield. That removes risk completely on a character you dont want any risk on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4993242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusterthreeonesix Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 A pair of normal plasma shots does add decent killing power vs single wound models at no risk. If you're having trouble with a large meta with a good mix of GEQ, MEQ and monster heavy armies I can see the combi-plasma being the best overall option. As opposed to switching between a combi-melta and combi-flamer depending on enemy?In that list though? There's plenty of things that can multch squads of t3/5+ equivilent infantry. Having another melta for reliable anti-heavy damage that doesn't require getting into melee sounds like the best bet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4993339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Here is a revised list: Spearhead Detachment: 639 144 Terminator Capt: combi-grav, chainfist, warlord - iron resolve 165 5 Hellblasters: plasma incinerators 165 5 Hellblasters: plasma incinerators 165 5 Hellbkasters: plasma incinerators Outrider Detachment: 748 124 Capt w Jump Pack: combi-melta, power fist, relic - armor indomitus 135 3 Inceptors: assault bolters 135 3 Inceptors: assault bolters 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators Air Wing Detachment: 612 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 1999 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4993521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 I'm also considering missile launcher devastators in place of the hellblasters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4993568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Dont discount the humble dev them in 8th With multi damage weapons they pack a punch Id consider at least 1 Dev squad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
seriade Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I would drop the 2 units of interceptors w assault bolters for 3 units of scout bikes w a storm bolter on the seargent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 Not a big fan of scouts in any form. Call me stubborn, but I really don't like the models. I will explain my love of Inceptors though. Three squads of devastators with heavy bolters costs 315 points. Two squads of Inceptors with assault bolters fields the same firepower for 270. Three squads of devastators with plasma cannons costs 447 points. Two squads of Inceptors with plasma exterminators fields the same firepower for 354. Range isn't an issue due to the mobility of the Inceptors plus holding them out as reinforcements means they get a turn of shooting at full strength whether I go first or second. There really is no comparison. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 Here is a list with missile launcher devs: Ravenguard Outrider Detachment:757 133 Capt w Jump Pack: combi-melta, thunder hammer, armor indomitus, warlord - iron resolve 135 3 Inceptors: assault bolters 135 3 Inceptors: assault bolters 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators 177 3 Inceptors: plasma exterminators Ravenguard Spearhead Detachment: 630 120 Capt w Jump Pack: combi-plasma, power fist 170 5 Devastators: 4 missile launchers, cherub 170 5 Devastators: 4 missile launchers, cherub 170 5 Devastators: 4 missile launchers, cherub Ravenguard Air Wing Detachment: 612 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 204 Stormtalon: lascannons 1999 I know one of the captains is still carrying a combi-plasma, but I view the overcharge as an option if needed. With the amount of firepower in this army, I should be able to dish out some serious damage. Especially if I go first. As always, comments are welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Id probably switch up the lascannons on the talons for bolters You need some more horde control Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Are Talons actually good? They seem overpriced in 8th. I wrote them off the second I saw the Index. Actually on second thought, that's a question worth specific attention in the Adeptus sub. :teehee: Edited January 27, 2018 by Firepower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) I see a lot of people playing with both Stormtalons and Stormhawks. Opinions probably vary on which is better since they are so similar. The Stormhawk gets an additional weapon system. The talon can hover and gets a bonus vs ground targets. Edited January 27, 2018 by deadangel101 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadangel101 Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 Duz, you really think I don't have enough vs hordes? 3 twin assault cannons, 12 assault bolters, 12 frag missiles, and 12 plasma exterminators is an average of 136 shots per turn that can be directed at infantry without considering it "a waste." The lascannons are the only dedicated anti-tank/monster guns in the army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343706-raven-guard-list/#findComment-4994989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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