The Wolfguard Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 So I've heard people talk about running dreadnoughts armies this edition. My questions are how well have these ran? Which marine codexs have you used? I know people run the chaplain dreadnoughts hq but has anyone looked at Carab Culln? He looks pretty good if expensive! I have a huge load of dreadnoughts already and am wondering how to run them as a little force for fun and maximise the amount of choice available, anything super fluffy or that synergises very well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Iron Hands looks good for dreads. They all get a FNP ability, and if they already have one they get more than one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-4997253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolfguard Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 On that point, will that effect stack indefinitely if it doesn't say something like "Will not stack with other effects..." Because Carab Culln applies the exact same effect to all friendlies within 6 inches of him. So if running him, with iron hand tactics, would you then get two 6+'s on everything (red scorpion) within 6 inches of him? That could start to come up with insane amounts of toughness, combined with other dreads with similar rules and iron hands chapter tactic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-4997281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 There is a fundamental weakness that stops the effectiveness of all Dread (or all NDK) armies, even though GW pushed the idea at the launch of 8th. All your opponent has to do is stick objectives and units on the top floor of ruins and Dreads are unable to either contest/control the objective or Assault any units up there. That aside, there are only two (IIRC) HQ choices for an all Dread army (Maybe 3 with Ashmantle?). A Blood Angel Librarian Dread and a FW Chaplain Dread. Which really limits your options for all Dread armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-4998399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolfguard Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Well the HQ I'm interested in is Carab Culln a forgeworld leviathan dreadnought hq model. He has a seemingly very cool rule that combos with dreads. In honesty we don't play with too much in the way of ruins/top floors so that wouldn't be too much of an issue to be honest, and it's not like it'd be the most competitive army anyway just something for a bit of fun. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/Carab_Culln_The_Risen_2017.pdf That's the rules for the HQ I'm thinking, pair his aura with the Iron Hands Chapter tactic and we seem to be having a party with at least 2 6+++'s on every dread near him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-4998818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) His rule "Proud to live, proud to die, hard to kill" only works on Red Scorpions. You couldn't combo it with Iron Hands. Edit: Ah I see. There's no chapter tactics for Red Scoripons, so you run them with IH Chapter tactics. Yup, that would stack two 6+++ saves on each Red Scorpion/Iron Hand dread. Tasty. Edited February 7, 2018 by Gentlemanloser Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5005330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 What rules allow for them to have two keywords? They both require having their respective keywords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5005815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 It's not two keywords though. It's <Chapter> Red Scorpions. But as a Chapter of unkown origin, you can choose any existing 'Chapter Tactics' to use for the Red Scorpions. Which would be the Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5006967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) What rules allow for them to have two keywords? They both require having their respective keywords.Chapter Tactics, not keyword. If a chapter's parent chapter is unknown it can use any chapter tactic it wants. I don't recall if the Red Scorpions founding chapter is known, but if it is not having the Red Scorpions keyword and using Iron Hands tactics is perfectly legal. Also, with Venerable and Relic Contemptor dreads, they would actually get 3 FNP rolls. Too bad Ashmantle can only be Warlord if there are no other HQ units in the list. Edit: Just looked it up. The Red Scorpions founding chapter is indeed unknown. Iron Hands tactics is perfectly legal. Edited February 9, 2018 by Claws and Effect Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5006968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Ah, I see it now. The CT rules are very badly worded in this regard, as each of them specifically references units with both the keyword and the tactic, implying they only work with their Keyword, but it doesn't seem like that's the intention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5007504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Yeah you choose the chapter tactics for Unkown founding but relics and strategms are linked to the chapter keyword not chapter tactics so you lose those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5022593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arigatous Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 There is a fundamental weakness that stops the effectiveness of all Dread (or all NDK) armies, even though GW pushed the idea at the launch of 8th. All your opponent has to do is stick objectives and units on the top floor of ruins and Dreads are unable to either contest/control the objective or Assault any units up there. From my opinion that's more or less intentional. It's hard to imagine an all Dreads army in a tactical fight. While a chapter which uses a full squad of Dreads for everything could potentially exist, there is no reason to support it's efficiency by rules. A Detachment of Dreads is another story fluffwise and it could be effective according to current rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5028731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Its not intentional when GW pushed 'now you can have an all dread army!' With the release of 8th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5028943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arigatous Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Its not intentional when GW pushed 'now you can have an all dread army!' With the release of 8th. And that's true. What I mean is nobody told this army would be competitive :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5029516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Not 100% dreads but as wild as i get is the SW trio of Bjorn, AxeDread, and a Murderfang. Its pretty nasty though, target saturation for days and they all do work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343843-dreadnought-armies-in-8th/#findComment-5030284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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