Gentlemanloser Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Hmmm. I have 2 Hector Rex minis. I Might have to use him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5027609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Well, I had completely missed that from his rules. I'll pick the model up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5027633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Raptor Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I had never heard of him before, and would still need to pick up the Imperial Armor book, but he's certainly a good choice. And He's got advantages over other Inquisitors - he's still Ordo Malleus, and he's not a demon-loving heretic. I wish Coteaz was a better fit rules-wise, because he would look so nice next to a Custodes army. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5027871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Does he have two denies though? I just had a game wher I did not take my standard Impregnible Mind and even with my opponent having bad dice rolls, I really felt it. No, the mighty Hector Rex can deny three powers per turn at +1 within 12". Wow. THIS is the guy I need. I shall change his name to DeeDee... Deepsrtiking Denials! BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5027920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyD4rkPassenger Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) Does he have two denies though? I just had a game wher I did not take my standard Impregnible Mind and even with my opponent having bad dice rolls, I really felt it. No, the mighty Hector Rex can deny three powers per turn at +1 within 12". Wow. THIS is the guy I need. I shall change his name to DeeDee... Deepsrtiking Denials! He can also get off that oh so sweet Terrify power to impose a -1 to the target's leadership and they can't overwatch to assist any deep strikers. I've got him marked down on my gaming group's cumulative forgeworld order along with the Achillus dreadnought. So excited! Edited March 8, 2018 by MyD4rkPassenger Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5027930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I'm planning a whole anti-psyker detatchment for my Custodes. Greyfax, Culexus, some sisters and something else to fill a Vanguard. Its about 300 points, but it can cover a wide area to reduce the effectiveness of psykers. I think sisters are seriously undervalued as screening for custodes when facing off against smite spam. Putting a unit of sisters between a psyker and your custodes effectively nullifies any smite casts. Stoic Raptor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5027963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Hector also comes with a very nice retinue of dudes (which unfortunately also inflates his cost). I am using the psyker as an Astropath. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5028014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Inflates his cost from Forgeworld? This isn't a retinue you have to use in game though, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5028051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyD4rkPassenger Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Inflates his cost from Forgeworld? This isn't a retinue you have to use in game though, right? No I just looked at IA, his datasheet specifies he is a single model unit. You just can't buy him separately from forgeworld as the acolytes are in the whole kit, they do look nice though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5028054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 There is an actual Astropath model included with rex. Which is cool if you ever want to use one. Rex is pretty damn good though, cast 2 deny 3. I was using him to deny overwatch for Celestine charges before, could still apply with Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5028219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Supreme command deny-squad of Greyfax, Hector & Eisenhorn? Prot and Gentlemanloser 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5028486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emissary Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Plus a culexus assassin if you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Supreme command deny-squad of Greyfax, Hector & Eisenhorn? I don’t know if I like Eisenhorn in game, but I am starting to wonder how Celestine would fit in with Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Supreme command deny-squad of Greyfax, Hector & Eisenhorn?I don’t know if I like Eisenhorn in game, but I am starting to wonder how Celestine would fit in with Custodes. According to many, very good. Speed up the board then summon a Custodes HQ as a bodyguard in combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Celestine is a great model, super reliable for assaulting enemy units. (Great for charging enemy tanks so they can't shoot or pile into them so they can't shoot.) My only drawback for her is strictly for ITC tournaments, she gives up a lot of secondary objective points. (Which obviously doesn't matter unless you are doing ITC.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 That’s a good point with the ITC concerns, but I notice at GW events she’s nearly an auto win on the relic ( I’m shocked they still use that at tournies). I have her, but haven’t used her at all in 8th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I'll be bringing her in my Apocalypse at the end of March. She'll probably be a honing beacon for my Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Celestine is a great model, super reliable for assaulting enemy units. (Great for charging enemy tanks so they can't shoot or pile into them so they can't shoot.) My only drawback for her is strictly for ITC tournaments, she gives up a lot of secondary objective points. (Which obviously doesn't matter unless you are doing ITC.) Can you elaborate on those ITC rules? I'm unfamiliar with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 There is one secondary called Kingslayer where you score a point for every two unsaved wounds (max up to 4 points). If she is the Warlord then you can score StWL too if you select Old School as another secondary. Helycon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) Celestine is a great model, super reliable for assaulting enemy units. (Great for charging enemy tanks so they can't shoot or pile into them so they can't shoot.) My only drawback for her is strictly for ITC tournaments, she gives up a lot of secondary objective points. (Which obviously doesn't matter unless you are doing ITC.) Can you elaborate on those ITC rules? I'm unfamiliar with them. ITC missions are broken into 2 objective types, primary and secondary. 3 Secondaries are chosen each match from a static list and can award up to 4 pts each. She can award points for Kingslayer, Headhunter, and Old school if she is their warlord. Kingslayer - pick a character, 1 point for each 2 wounds taken (point to wound ratio different for monsters/vehicles), 1 extra point if target is WL - So she'll award all 4 points here just from wounds alone Headhunter - 1 point for each character killed (geminai count, so each one killed, including resurrected ones give up a point each.) - If she has any geminai, they can award all 4 points alone Old school - 1 point for slay the warlord, 1 point for linebreaker, 1 point for killing a unit in the first round, 1 point for killing a unit in the last round - only applies if she is warlord What it boils down to, Celestine is best with 1-2 geminai and played aggressively. If you use this strategy and your opponent is wise to the scenario, they can net 8/12 secondary points just by deleting Celestine and her geminai, which is a big deal. As a Celestine player the counter play would be to hide her, but then you effectively aren't using her for her job either. Edited March 11, 2018 by shanewatts Helycon and Stoic Raptor 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helycon Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Thanks for that! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5029870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Wow never thought of using that stratagem to pop a captain up beside Celestine. What a great idea Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5030174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanul Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I think it was a relic, so it ain't that cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5030259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Praetorian Plate relic. Always want to use it, never got round to it yet. I need my SCs to buff dudes, not go teleporting off on their own. ;) But I do want to have one. Maybe a CC orientated Vex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5030266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 In my opinion, the problem with the Land Raider (aside fom being overcosted!) is as much you're unlikely to have more than one, and even with it there'll be at most a dreadnought or MAYBE 2 on the table, depending on points level of the game. This in turn makes it nothing but a distraction carnifex. It's going to be a magnet for every anti-vehicle weapon the enemy has on turn one. Because it's pretty much the only target. Sure, those weapons will hurt a regular Custodian pretty badly too. Maybe (Given they have better Invuls!). Yet generally the Tank will be the obvious target, and it will die. This is true in Marine armies as well. Heck, any time an army has only one or two big scary tanks, they tend to just die. They're big targets with a giant "SHOOT ME" sign on them. This applies even to smaller tanks and dreads. You kind of need to go all in on Big Scary Stuff or just plain expect it to die. As for not painting them one way? There's the rub... We could get an FAQ or the big March (or whenever it is) update might change points costs or stats enough to suddenly make Land Raiders and Contemptors the bees' knees. So for the moment? Just leaving mine unpainted. In other news, how has the Achillus been working for people? I've had a lot of work trips and a vacation so haven't had a chance to test it yet! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343856-how-are-your-custodes-doing/page/9/#findComment-5030288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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