Laughingman Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Got a question, I vaguely remember that in Know No fear (some one can correct me if I'm wrong) the Word bearers employ some kind of "hound" to track down ultramarines , was the use of such creatures common place among the legions? I assume they had dedicated handlers that specialized in there deployment as well. Interested as I musing about modeling up a handler for kicks and giggles even if no in games rules are available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The creature in question is a daemon, a Khorne flesh hound is fairly likely. To my mind it seems unlikely that other legions would have used creatures in a similar way pre heresy (space wolves aside.) That being said, if you can think of a cool background justification for your guys, then go forth! Having a few flesh hounds purely for aesthetic purposes with a word bearers vigilator could work. Check out the mighty lord of khorne from AOS. He has a flesh hound on a leash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-4998180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 It was an Abnettian wire wolf-esque worldbuilding invention, a great idea we should see more of in 30K and 40K! I can imagine the Sons of Horus doing the same, say when looking for psykers on Prospero (or similar situations), the Alpha Legion where the agent prefers it, the Night Lords, and certainly Shattered Legions, Legions of Dark Compliance and Blackshields depending on personal fluff. Brother Handro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-4998395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 upon review of "Know no fear" it appears that the creature is indeed a demon of some kind, not really clear if its a true flesh hounds of khorne, or some some kind of bound daemon that corporal shell looks like a hound... My idea for a modeling opportunity was more like a 30k version of K9 units used by modern armed forces, except grimdark man sized cyber-mastiffs, trained xeno-beasts, gene-golems etc. I imagine them being attached to legion seeker and recon squads for tracking down individuals in underhives and the like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-4998787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Pretty sure there's mention of Sons of Horus making use of cyber-mastiffs in some capacity in the FW HH Books - maybe it was hunting survivors on Isstvan V? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-4999126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Cyber-mastiffs/eagles I can see being used, but normal animals? Other than the Space Wolves, surely an Auspex is more powerful and useful than a hunting hound when tracking. Maybe a hunting hawk for the White Scars, but again, surely a servo-skull would prove more useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-4999187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Devils advocates:: Auspex are described as multi spectrum scanners, given large number of individuals (lets say a hive city) they are effectively useless at tracking specific individuals. Even space marines with a Neuroglottis (the organ that allows canine like smell). Might have trouble if in such a environment. Thus the application of gene-enhanced tracking creatures, xeno-beast, etc to track the individual down. Ramza 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-4999220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Well, Talos certainly doesn't seem to have much issue tracking down individuals during a minor riot on a penal planet in Soul Hunter. Plus, let's not forget that Imperial technology is still massively ahead of ours. We know Imperial technology used by the Kasrkin includes "spoor trackers", allowing them to sync the guns up to the genetic material of friendly forces so that they can't fire while pointing at a synced target. If that's what they can do with their gun sights for the Storm Troopers, then the gear issued to the Space Marines is far more advanced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-5000230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Love this idea. Laughingman gave a good justification for including a Beast Handler into a army. I don't think they would fit into every Legion in relation to fluff but if you can come up with a cool narrative for your beast handler then I think any gamer would be cool with the idea. Implementing a Beast onto the tabletop is the next hurdle. If you just wanted a cool beast model on the table then I think using a IC that can take a cyber familiar is the way to go. You wont actually be able to use the beast in any way but it will look cool. Personally, I would use the techmarine/Forgelord profile for the Beast handler and take servitors w/power fists to use as your beasts profile. Alternatively, you could potentially stretch it and substitute Vorax/Castellax for beasts and model a Praevian as a Beast Handler. You might have issues with substituting their ranged weaponry but as I mentioned earlier, explaining everything with a cool piece of narrative usually goes down well with other narrative gamers. You could say your beasts have hardened quills they can use as projectiles or they spit corrosive acid etc. just my 2 cents Edited February 2, 2018 by Ramza Petitioner's City, Spinsanity and Caillum 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-5000240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 ^ All these ideas are awesome! :) Ramza 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-5000270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 Maybe something along the lines of Maxmini Necrohounds? Or hasslefree Alien line? (Warning Not all of hasslefree miniatures are Safe for work explore at your own risk) https://maxmini.eu/miniatures/necrohounds-miniatures http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=crouching-mawe~hfsa307&category=sci%252dfi-%26%0D%0Aweird-war~sci%252dfi-aliens Ramza 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343924-space-marine-beast-handler/#findComment-5000306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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