Geoffy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Hey guys, Really need your help making this a competitive 2500 list with stone gauntlet. I'm all ears. Very excited to run the new rogal dorn model! IF Legiones Astartes Champion: artificer armour; power weapon (master-crafted); refractor field 120 Alexis Polux: Rite of War (The Stone Gauntlet) 165 10 Phalanx Warders: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Phalanx Warders; 5 × power axe; 2 × flamer; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla 355 10 Phalanx Warders: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Phalanx Warders; 5 × power axe; 2 × flamer; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla 355 10 Terminators: Terminator Sergeant (Vigil pattern storm shield; thunder hammer); 9 Terminators; Terminator armour (Cataphractii); 9 × Vigil pattern storm shield; 2 × power fist; 4 × chainfist; 3 × thunder hammer; 2 × Iliastus pattern assault cannon 545 5 Jetbike Sky Hunters 205 5 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant (artificer armour; remove lascannon; nuncio-vox & chainsword); 4 Heavy Support Marines; lascannons 225 5 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant; 4 Heavy Support Marines; heavy flamers 135 Rogal Dorn 385 Allied Fortifications (Age of Darkness) Promethium Relay Pipes: Barricades; Barricades; Barricades 70 Aegis Defence Line: Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun; Barricades; Ammo Store 125 2,685 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stray_Idea Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Well To start your over 2.5k though I’m sure you know that. I would possibly consider dropping the champion or giving him a shield as he needs one to get the toughness bump from the squad. You’ll drop an attack but pick up T5. You do look to be lacking in anti tank support. 5 Lascannons are not too difficult to inflict wounds on. Perhaps consider a dreedo to compliment them. As for the phalanx squads they are filled with awesomeness in my opinion but being your only scoring units an apothecary in them might really help you out late game. Stray Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-4999313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 I made some changes to make it 2500. I'm looking to see what you guys think especially about the equipmunk I've chosen and the fortifications! I've never used them before and like the defensive nature of this row. Any help or feedback always appreciated. IF Legiones Astartes Alexis Polux: Rite of War (The Stone Gauntlet) 165 Master of Signal 95 10 Phalanx Warders: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Phalanx Warders; 5 × power axe; 2 × flamer; legion vexilla 345 10 Phalanx Warders: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Phalanx Warders; 5 × power axe; 2 × flamer; legion vexilla 345 10 Terminators: Terminator Sergeant (Vigil pattern storm shield; thunder hammer); 9 Terminators; Terminator armour (Cataphractii); 9 × Vigil pattern storm shield; 2 × power fist; 4 × chainfist; 3 × thunder hammer; 2 × Iliastus pattern assault cannon 545 Storm Eagle Assault Gunship: 2 wing-mounted twin-linked lascannon; armoured ceramite 270 5 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant (artificer armour; remove lascannon; nuncio-vox & chainsword); 4 Heavy Support Marines; lascannons 225 Rogal Dorn 385 Allied Fortifications (Age of Darkness) Aegis Defence Line: Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun; Barricades; Ammo Store 125 2,500 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-4999831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You cannot take Phalanx Warders as Compulsory Troops for Stone Gauntlet. Yes, they’re Troops with Dorn/Stone Gauntlet, but the Rite of War specifically requires Breachers to be your Compulsory choices. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5000144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 You cannot take Phalanx Warders as Compulsory Troops for Stone Gauntlet. Yes, they’re Troops with Dorn/Stone Gauntlet, but the Rite of War specifically requires Breachers to be your Compulsory choices. Ok, thank you. I'm an idiot and forgot that. I've gotten here: IF Legiones Astartes Alexis Polux: Rite of War (The Stone Gauntlet) 165 Master of Signal 95 10 Phalanx Warders: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Phalanx Warders; 5 × power axe; 2 × flamer; legion vexilla 345 10 Breacher Space Marines: Breacher Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Breacher Space Marines; 2 × graviton gun; legion vexilla 260 10 Breacher Space Marines: Breacher Sergeant (artificer armour; melta bombs); 9 Breacher Space Marines; 2 × graviton gun; legion vexilla 260 5 Terminators: Terminator Sergeant (Vigil pattern storm shield; thunder hammer); 4 Terminators; Terminator armour (Cataphractii); 4 × Vigil pattern storm shield; 2 × chainfist; 2 × thunder hammer; Iliastus pattern assault cannon 290 • Land Raider Phobos: dozer blade; armoured ceramite 250 5 Terminators: Terminator Sergeant (Vigil pattern storm shield; thunder hammer); 4 Terminators; Terminator armour (Cataphractii); 4 × Vigil pattern storm shield; 2 × chainfist; 2 × thunder hammer; Iliastus pattern assault cannon 290 • Land Raider Phobos: dozer blade; armoured ceramite 250 5 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant (artificer armour; remove lascannon; nuncio-vox & chainsword); 4 Heavy Support Marines; lascannons 225 Rogal Dorn 385 Allied Fortifications (Age of Darkness) Aegis Defence Line: Gun Emplacement with Quad-gun; Barricades; Ammo Store 125 2,940 points It's almost 3k so obviously I have to pare it down. I like the termies for the assault cannons and sunergy with the row. Trying to make it work otherwise. Any further constructive criticism? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5000181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Yeah, I always have time for list reviews! :) Well, most of the time. On holidays now, so here goes... Are you committed to the Phalanx Warders? They’re very fluffy, but with 2 Breacher Squads, you are really over-saturating that type of unit. Instead, I would drop them, bump the Breachers to 15-strong, and add Apothecaries. With some gear changes (flamers > graviton guns, power fists > melta bombs), you’re saving 55 points this way. Your Terminator Squads each have 5 storm shields AND an Iliastus assault cannon - they occupy the same slot, so you’ll have to drop a shield or the IAC. Either way works, though I like my combat units having some shooting. If you want to save points, combine them into one bigger unit and take a Spartan - Polux, Dorn and some Terminators will all fit in one (25-man capacity). Saves you 170+ points (depending on how many Terminators you take). I don’t really see the merit in dropping the lascannon from the Sergeant and taking a nuncio-vox. Is it so he can shoot the quad-gun? They’re not that great at anti-air... And 5 lascannons is probably not enough to be a viable threat in Heresy games, let alone 4. I would take 8 and put them into a Bunker, or 10 behind the Aegis. Hope this helps! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5000268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 Yeah, I always have time for list reviews! :) Well, most of the time. On holidays now, so here goes... Are you committed to the Phalanx Warders? They’re very fluffy, but with 2 Breacher Squads, you are really over-saturating that type of unit. Instead, I would drop them, bump the Breachers to 15-strong, and add Apothecaries. With some gear changes (flamers > graviton guns, power fists > melta bombs), you’re saving 55 points this way. Your Terminator Squads each have 5 storm shields AND an Iliastus assault cannon - they occupy the same slot, so you’ll have to drop a shield or the IAC. Either way works, though I like my combat units having some shooting. If you want to save points, combine them into one bigger unit and take a Spartan - Polux, Dorn and some Terminators will all fit in one (25-man capacity). Saves you 170+ points (depending on how many Terminators you take). I don’t really see the merit in dropping the lascannon from the Sergeant and taking a nuncio-vox. Is it so he can shoot the quad-gun? They’re not that great at anti-air... And 5 lascannons is probably not enough to be a viable threat in Heresy games, let alone 4. I would take 8 and put them into a Bunker, or 10 behind the Aegis. Hope this helps! Wolf in the Shadows 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5000574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 Also, can you only have one fortification in the standard crusade army list? I.e. I can take one bunker only in my list? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5001285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Yeah, I was going to say that you’re normally only allowed 1 Fortification in Age of Darkness games. I would drop Polux & the Master of Signal and take a different HQ before dropping Dorn - he makes Stone Gauntlet! You could also reduce your Terminator squad-size to save points. Check the IF Tactics thread for my 3k version that K3nn3rs was chasing. Easy enough to scale back to 2.5k, but at 3k it’s got a lot more flexibility with unit choices. Wolf in the Shadows and K3nn3rs 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5001435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 Does a champion count as compulsory HQ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5009658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Yes, but it’s the worst Consul of the lot. A Chaplain is the same price, but comes with a power weapon and has Zealot & Fear. Much[i/] better than WS6, master-crafting a weapon and having to issue/accept challenges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5010698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 Yes, but it’s the worst Consul of the lot. A Chaplain is the same price, but comes with a power weapon and has Zealot & Fear. Much[i/] better than WS6, master-crafting a weapon and having to issue/accept challenges. Thanks. I would like to take dorn but don't you think the MoS giving bs5 to those tank hunter lascannons is pretty awesome? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/343952-25k-imp-fists-sg/#findComment-5010917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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