Khalan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) In the codex, Fire Frenzy stratagem is different than in codex CSM. In CSM it says "helbrute (Lowercase)- Meaning the unit called helbrute but not models with helbrute keyword In TS version is specifically says" THOUSAND SONS HELBRUTE (Bolded) so meaning models with both TS and Helbrute Keywords. Anyone notice this? Think it is intentional? See photo Edited February 2, 2018 by Khalan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Okay I probably wrong about this but I thought the CSM card was errata’d to be keyword specific which excluded some models from taking advantage of strategems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5000233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnofiend Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Oh god, here we again... GW has mucked up the Helbrute/HELBRUTE thing in every codex so far. Based on previous erratas the intention is that Fire Frenzy works on Helbrutes. HELBRUTES get the Legion Trait, with the exception of us since our Legion trait is "all psykers" instead of the usual list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5000246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 It's not in any of the errata, it is still Helbrute. Thousand Sons one will probably be errata since later in the card the reference of helbrute is not bold. Though it would be cool if they buffed our dusty dreads to be a bit better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5000253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 I know all the controversy and faq, just pointing out the difference. Okay I probably wrong about this but I thought the CSM card was errata’d to be keyword specific which excluded some models from taking advantage of strategems. Yes exactly, there was an FAQ that lowercase helbrute is for the helbrute models, but this is capitalize and bolded, unlike the CSM one so it RAW is anything with TS keyword and helbrute keyword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5000254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnofiend Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 It's not in any of the errata, it is still Helbrute. Thousand Sons one will probably be errata since later in the card the reference of helbrute is not bold. Though it would be cool if they buffed our dusty dreads to be a bit better. Previously they screwed up the Death Guard codex in a similar manner; Inexorable Advance originally said that it applies to infantry and helbrutes. They had to FAQ it to apply it to HELBRUTES. Fire Frenzy, however, was not changed; this should make the intention with the stratagem clear. Fully expect this to get fixed in the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5000257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Okay I probably wrong about this but I thought the CSM card was errata’d to be keyword specific which excluded some models from taking advantage of strategems. What you're remembering is that the FW Dreads got the Helbrute keyword via Errata which made many people think they could use Fire Frenzy on those. ;) So I see two things there: 1) It specifies Thousand Sons Helbrutes, so it can't get used cross-Legion. 2) It really talks about the keyword rather than the specific Helbrute unit. I conclude that it either means there's an Errata for the CSM Stratagem coming soonish that makes it work based on the keyword as well....or that it's a special treatment specifically for Thousand Sons. Or GW screwed up and it'll get Errata'd into the CSM version which would suck. Anyway, enjoy your unique Fire Frenzy Leviathans for now. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5000393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I am still wondering why we don't have psyker dreads like blood angels do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalan Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 So are we all. Kite Senet 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I am still wondering why we don't have psyker dreads like blood angels do. I'm a Blood Angel player (as well as Thousand Sons) and I'm confused by this too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Its been an overwhelming detail feedback acknowledged by GW. I could see one happening maybe a year or so from now, part of a campaign supplement maybe. Would not surprise me if they are coming up with something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Its been an overwhelming detail feedback acknowledged by GW. I could see one happening maybe a year or so from now, part of a campaign supplement maybe. Would not surprise me if they are coming up with something. the Osirion will happen in the future for sure, id imagine that will be how Gw does it since that model already exists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aasfresser Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 (edited) Didin't Forgeworld anounce somewhere they'll make 40k rules for the Forgeworld 30k Custodes miniatures? If they do this for the Custodes, why souldn't they do this with some of the TS 30k units. To be fair the only ones I could see coming to 40k are the Contemptor, the Osirion and the Castellax-Achea battle-automata. And with the Osirion I would be more than statisfied as a psychic dread for the TS. Edit: SonoftheNINJA21 ninjaed me. Edited February 3, 2018 by Aasfresser Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 I am still wondering why we don't have psyker dreads like blood angels do. I really like the explanation in the codex for how we get our brutes. If we were to get one I would not complain though. Raven1 and Kite Senet 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5001998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just wondering, as my book's still in the post, what is the explanation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just wondering, as my book's still in the post, what is the explanation? TS Sorcerers trick/enthrall/lie/bamboozle "potential" new recruits who go through a series of cult rituals to enhance their "warp" prowess, but it is instead a series of binding rituals which turn them into what is basically a sentient mass that is then bound to the helbrute. Jorin Helm-splitter and Morovir 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just wondering, as my book's still in the post, what is the explanation? We kidnap other space marines, beat them to a pulp, throw them in after torture and lock em in. Thats how the 1k sons make their helbrutes. Morovir and Jorin Helm-splitter 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Its been an overwhelming detail feedback acknowledged by GW. I could see one happening maybe a year or so from now, part of a campaign supplement maybe. Would not surprise me if they are coming up with something. the Osirion will happen in the future for sure, id imagine that will be how Gw does it since that model already exists. That would not surprise my but i could also see them coming up with something from scratch with a twist (bray) or other Tzeentchian curve ball the commumity may not expect Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Its been an overwhelming detail feedback acknowledged by GW. I could see one happening maybe a year or so from now, part of a campaign supplement maybe. Would not surprise me if they are coming up with something. the Osirion will happen in the future for sure, id imagine that will be how Gw does it since that model already exists. That would not surprise my but i could also see them coming up with something from scratch with a twist (bray) or other Tzeentchian curve ball the commumity may not expect Very possible. Since FW is planning on porting stuff for the Adeptus Custodes. FW has the Osirion, contemptor (already an option) and the kehnatis sect arms they could just make into options and it opens up to both systems. As far the Helbrute stratagem something is going to get FAQ'd until then those of you with dual assault cannons or butter cannons or whatever have fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) I keep seeing this pic on FB what I want to know though is it exactly the same wording in the codex for the strategems as that's just one of the strategem cards isn't it ??? Otherwise it could be a misprint on the card, I wouldn't get too excited about firefrenzy on FW dreads GW or even FW will probably faq it within the week Edited February 4, 2018 by Plaguecaster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 It references "THOUSAND SONS HELBRUTE" in the codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimegistos Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 The funny thing is even in the codex description it seems to hint at our helbrutesbeing psychic. IMHO the codex reason missed a trick, it should have been the brotherhood of the dreaming from HH7 put in the brutes, requiredby the modern TS for the same reason . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 The funny thing is even in the codex description it seems to hint at our helbrutesbeing psychic. IMHO the codex reason missed a trick, it should have been the brotherhood of the dreaming from HH7 put in the brutes, requiredby the modern TS for the same reason . Well, you always need new helbrutes. The crazy ones tend to charge in and die. I suppose this is fitting for the idea of enemy astartes prisoners being driven mad and throne in the sarcophagus so that it is just a rabid animal to be unleashed. It stands to reason however, that every once in a while a Sorcerer may be horribly maimed beyond regeneration/prosthetic. And so the thousand sons psychic dreadnought would be born. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344005-fire-frenzy-on-ts-helbrute-new-codex-discrepancy/#findComment-5002609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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