Custodes Jetbikes

[quinnwolf]

What would be the consensus on using the new plastic jetbikes in 30K? My group is fairly easy going but what would you guys think and what would be the opinion at say a GW Heresy event.

 

Pros:

 

Cheaper models (£35 GW vs £90 FW)

Better models, much closer to the artwork in visions (imho)

Plastic

Less phallic

Have lances (which look more robust too)

 

Cons:

Smaller silhouette lengthwise.

Different load out with regards the guns.

Not phalllic enough (if that's what you're in to)

Different base size (60mm circle on FW vs 75mm oval on GW)

Edited February 2, 2018 by quinnwolf

[Noserenda]

I wouldnt have a problem but some effort to convert the bike guns would definitely go a long way.

It might be worth waiting for FWs eventual statements on Custodes stuff though, they might add these bikes to the 30k armoury as is.

[Atia]

According to the new Codex, the bikes are Crusade Era relics. Same goes for their Land Raiders, and I would imagine the Allarus pattern. 

 

No Cawl sheningangs going on with the Custodes - they still fight like they did 10k years ago.

[Charlo]

The weapons would be fairly easy to replicate, especially the Las-Pulsar, just pop a lascannon into each weapon slot.

[Baluc]

I would say not outside basement hammer, there are far too different size wise. Also there is probably a good chance they end up in HH anyway. 

[Spinsanity]

Pros:

Less phallichttp

 

Cons:

Not phalllic enough (if that's what you're in to)

Seriously?, is there a reason for bringing that up beyond juvenile humour? Besides, I could understand the perception if you'd been talking about FW's Scimitar Jetbikes, but there's hardly anything phallic about the Gyrfalcons.

 

Maybe you could actually model the plastic bikes with the proper weapons, in which case I'd be perfectly fine with it, but I'd otherwise advise against it.

[ProsperoStands]

I see no issue with it. A jet bike is a jet bike. I would upgrade the bases to be the size of the FW ones but other then that go for it.

 

For HH sometimes you have to save money where you can.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

No problem with it.

[Corswain]

I would be happy for an opponent to field either jetbike option as the other. As long as everyone’s clear on it, then I’d go for it.

[rendingon1+]

GW jetbikes though still a part of ugly custodes range Look 1000x better IMHO. At least they don't look like some 60' movie scifi vehicle. Also I'm sure they will be easily converted into astartes bullocks since riders are separate. For legion armies this release is a boon.

[Fangbanger]

hmmm... I'm going to buck the trend and say I wouldn't be happy with it.

 

Astheticly they look awful and the fact you can get nearly 3 times for the money Just leads to the chance they can be spammed too easily.

 

But your hobbie and all that

[rendingon1+]

... and the fact you can get nearly 3 times for the money Just leads to the chance they can be spammed too easily.

 

No wonder HH players are accused of elitism and snobism...way to go. Edited February 3, 2018 by rendingon1+

[SkimaskMohawk]

If it wasn't for the massive size difference I think they'd be a great replacement. Gyrfalcons are longer than rhino hulls and really do take up a chunk of space. It'd be like using normal landspeeders as javelins

[Gorgoff]

 

... and the fact you can get nearly 3 times for the money Just leads to the chance they can be spammed too easily.

 

No wonder HH players are accused of elitism and snobism...way to go.

It is not about "cheap=bad" it is about douchbags who spam those horrible overpowered units and make games with them to a absolute pain in the ass.

That's why those models are not ok.

Oh, and they are ugly, which he meantiined and you didn't seem to notice.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Gorgoff

[Fangbanger]

Thank you - that was exactly what I meant.

 

I have run plastic rhinos and raiders in heresy

 

I have some betrayal at calth marines

 

All are stated as being in the heresy.

 

Yes 30k is an elite club anyway- it's a niche within a niche and an expensive one too.

 

Does that mean we keep people out? Hell no

 

But it does mean a lot of us put a lot of hobby time in, read up on the history of our forces, invested time fully painting armies and coming up with our own characters - we expect a similar level across the table from us.

 

That's not being a jerk, that's the reason myself and a lot of people play.

 

If someone sets up across from me with 12 crap looking 40k custodes bikes, good day to you sir I'm out.

 

If someone tried to proxie land raiders as Spartans, ditto.

 

Speeders for Javs, as above.

 

If that makes me 'Elitist' - I'm happy to be it

Edited February 3, 2018 by Fangbanger

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

 

 

 

... and the fact you can get nearly 3 times for the money Just leads to the chance they can be spammed too easily.

No wonder HH players are accused of elitism and snobism...way to go.

It is not about "cheap=bad" it is about douchbags who spam those horrible overpowered units and make games with them to a absolute pain in the ass.

That's why those models are not ok.

Oh, and they are ugly, which he meantiined and you didn't seem to notice.

 

What if they want to field One squad? Don’t always assume the worst.

 

The plastic kit simply looks a lot better.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Black Orange

[rendingon1+]

I did. For me they are better looking, so I don't care about other opinions, sorry. I wonder if people ale also dead against plastic mk5 dreads, plastic not Mk2b LR and rhinos.

Is anyone forced to play with douchebags? Is someone holding a gun to your/his head and tells you/him to play vs opponent who's powergaming? No and no. Besides - natural selection. You had a battle with an :cuss? Now you know and don't have to play with him anymore. Simple. Summimg up - if someone likes these models better than FW ones and can give them a proper weapons loudout then it's fine buy me.

[Fire Golem]

 

 

... and the fact you can get nearly 3 times for the money Just leads to the chance they can be spammed too easily.

No wonder HH players are accused of elitism and snobism...way to go.

It is not about "cheap=bad" it is about douchbags who spam those horrible overpowered units and make games with them to a absolute pain in the ass.

That's why those models are not ok.

Oh, and they are ugly, which he meantiined and you didn't seem to notice.

‘They are ugly’ isn’t a reason, because 1. They aren’t, it’s an opinion, and 2. You can’t dictate someone else’s army on what you find ugly.

[Fangbanger]

O.p asked specifically about events so at those, you have less choice on you play.

 

You can't get angry at someone for expressing opinions you don't agree with.

 

I did. For me they are better looking, so I don't care about other opinions, sorry. I wonder if people ale also dead against plastic mk5 dreads, plastic not Mk2b LR and rhinos.

Is anyone forced to play with douchebags? Is someone holding a gun to your/his head and tells you/him to play vs opponent who's powergaming? No and no. Besides - natural selection. You had a battle with an :cuss? Now you know and don't have to play with him anymore. Simple. Summimg up - if someone likes these models better than FW ones and can give them a proper weapons loudout then it's fine buy me.

If you don't like others opinions, maybe the internet is not for you petal...

 

I also clearly stated rhinos and raiders are perfectly fine as they where around at that time.

 

The point of Heresy is too keep in a timeline with aesthetics and story... custodes have heresy era jetbikes. These are 40k era jetbikes.

 

If fw turned around and said this pattern was available back then, so be it.

 

Until then, I don't agree with their use in heresy games at events.

 

That doesn't make me wrong.

[rendingon1+]

I didn't say I don't like other opinions. I said I don't care. They have no impact on my preferences. Better?

Atia said that in codex custodes they are described as "heresy era relics". So...

 

Also, please tell me where did you find info about plastic (mk4?)Land raiders being around in 30k? We know mk2b were used, there's plenty of evidence but I'am curious how do you justify this.

[Fangbanger]

They are Phobos pattern - it clearly has an entrance in the red book...

Thanks for clearing that up, luckily this conversation was never about you and your preferences, so think we can put that to bed now.

Back on to the o.p.. in summary..

As far as gaming groups go, of course, you can do what you like

As far as events go, chat with the event organiser to see how they rule it at their event





 

[SkimaskMohawk]

Guys the heresy era vs 40k era argument is so old and absurd. There's no difference between mk VII armour and mk III except for aesthetics, or the different rhino or godhammer patterns. There might be a bit of extra bulk here or there due to marine proportioning, or slightly more armour on the vehicles.

 

That being said there's a rather dramatic size difference between the dawneagle and gyrfalcon. As in three gyrfalcons off their bases take up more of a footprint than a sicaran...

 

Also I love the douche comments on list construction. If we're playing custodes we already get so much flak.

[rendingon1+]

They are Phobos pattern - it clearly has an entrance in the red book...

 

Thanks for clearing that up, luckily this conversation was never about you and your preferences, so think we can put that to bed now.

 

Back on to the o.p.. in summary..

 

As far as gaming groups go, of course, you can do what you like

 

As far as events go, chat with the event organiser to see how they rule it at their event

 

 

 

And neither was it about your... approach commander Puretide. Unfortunately for you plastic GW landraider never featured in any Hh colour plate so, no, Phobos mk2b/Proteus/Achilles is the only correct one. According to you. Also when someone has a vision how his army will look like and you refuse to play with him because it doesn't meet "your approval" than it is you who have problem with different opinions :-) Edited February 3, 2018 by rendingon1+

[Gorgoff]

What if they want to field One squad? Don’t always assume the worst.

The plastic kit simply looks a lot better.

Nah, they don't, but that isn't the point. They are smaller and have different weapons which is the tricky part.

I like those dudes on it though...

 

  

I did. For me they are better looking, so I don't care about other opinions, sorry. I wonder if people ale also dead against plastic mk5 dreads, plastic not Mk2b LR and rhinos.

Use 'em myself.

Use 'em myself.

Use 'em myself. ;)

They are kn the black books though which those tiny little bikes are not.... yet! Maybe they will be a new unit for Custodes, who nows?

That is the secons big reason I would not recommand to take them.

 

 

 

  

‘They are ugly’ isn’t a reason, because 1. They aren’t, it’s an opinion, and 2. You can’t dictate someone else’s army on what you find ugly.

 

Being ugly is THE main reason not to take something.

Being not appropriate is quit as important to most players I know.

HH has a historically vibe to it, if you like it or not, and that is one of the most important things about it for many players.

Authenticity is the name if the game. :)

You don't have to play by it.

Of course not. But I'm just sayin'.

For me it looks to much of a 40k bike, oddly enough since they look way more like the old paintings of the custodian jetbikes.

 

 

 

Also I love the douche comments on list construction. If we're playing custodes we already get so much flak.

Sorry if I am way off, because english is my second language, but...

What do you mean by "get so much flak"?

It... do you suggest playing Custodes makes you more attractive and that leeds to more... intercourse?

Again I am sorry but I don't know that term.

[Fangbanger]

ok... do we really have to keep this up??

Talons of the emperor unit options - Legio Custodes Agmatus Jetbike Squadron

Adeptus custodes model - Vertus Praetors on Danweagle jetbike

So they are different units..

Same as a predator is different to a rhino, a contemptor dreadnaught different to a standard 40k dreadnaught etc..

I'm not really sure how much clearer it could be.

In any case, I think we've covered all we need for the o.p to make his decision and this back and forth has grown tiresome