Lucerne Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 What's the most effective way to do this so they look appropriately looming and bulky without losing some of the detail? Spacers? Legswaps would result in detail loss... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamberlainskeksil Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 They are very close already. I think a spacer between the legs and torsos and then some putty to fill in the resultant gap would work. Though how you sculpt that to match the style/trim would be an interesting challenge. You could combine that with platform boots. A milimetre under the feet cut and sanded/filed/scraped to match the contours of the sides of the boots would work. Lucerne, Aothaine and Kite Senet 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5004107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 With thier crests they are taller than pretty much all power armor troops except Adeptus Custodes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5004140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Yeah, but crests aren't part of the main miniature, they're on top of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5004143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Really they're so close it's hard to justify the work cutting them up. You have to really look to see the difference. Just lift the torso a few mm with green stuff and put a bit under the feet. Maybe use bigger shoulder pads. That's all you should need. Lucerne 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5004191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Truescaling is false. it has always been false. The scale of marine models is just fine compared to eldar, necrons, ork, vehicles, etc. The falw is the footman tau and regular humans-who are oversized. Excessus and Kite Senet 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5004423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 The TS marines are already taller and more in proportion than regular PA troops, are they not? Raven1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5004955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 They are, but when comparing to Primaris they're shorter and general consensus online is that Primaris are true to life. IMO BoomWolf has it right. Guardsman are massive, along with the fish-folk and their sardinian mech suits. There are some other inconsistent models out there but a typical Orc and Marine should be the baseline for sizes. I always picture the comparison as Neanderthal vs. Cro-Magnon as Orc vs. Marine. Similar size/structure, one closer to a wild animal than a modern human. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryblueelf Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Try throwing a torso on a terminator leg base, and cover/fill the gaps with belts, pouches etc. Its quite effective for a size change. At the very least gives you an idea. Lucerne 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) They are, but when comparing to Primaris they're shorter and general consensus online is that Primaris are true to life. Which is perfectly fine since Primaris are supposed to be taller than TSons etc. Edited February 7, 2018 by sfPanzer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Primaris are specifically taller than regular Astartes due to additional modification that stimulates growth even more. Thousand Sons shouldn't match them for height. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Primaris are specifically taller than regular Astartes due to additional modification that stimulates growth even more. Thousand Sons shouldn't match them for height. Yep, so the 2-3mm difference makes sense. Also, wasn't it Jes Goodwin who said that the person who designed the Cadian range back in the early 00's "didn't know how to use a ruler?" Older guard are much more appropriately sized, even Catachans, because being super huge is part of their "Arnold/Carl Weathers Handshake" 80's action hero theme. Edited February 7, 2018 by GreaterChickenofTzeentch Skerr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Primaris are specifically taller than regular Astartes due to additional modification that stimulates growth even more. Thousand Sons shouldn't match them for height. Yep, so the 2-3mm difference makes sense. Also, wasn't it Jes Goodwin who said that the person who designed the Cadian range back in the early 00's "didn't know how to use a ruler?" Older guard are much more appropriately sized, even Catachans, because being super huge is part of their "Arnold/Carl Weathers Handshake" 80's action hero theme. The cadians are nothing compared to the old FW sprue The bare heads were bigger than the helmets x_x Kite Senet 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamberlainskeksil Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 It doesn't really matter that the Cadians started a bunch of out of scale normal humans that make space marines look too small. GW has made humans in the same size as the Cadians ever since. So the current reality is that space marines are too small compared to this large selection of models. Be they guardsmen, scions, skitarii, electro-priests, hive gangers, and on and on. Thousand Sons, Deathguard and Chosen are a great size already in my opinion. They're just that much taller than the humans. Primaris are also good and people definitely have a "that's what I wish marines were always like" to them. It's okay to want the Tsons, DG, Chosen, etc., to be a bit taller. Because it's cool. Anyone getting twisted up in response to the term "true scale" is just wasting their time arguing terms and point back to a scale error from what? 20 years ago? The reality is that humans are of a pretty consistent size now (and have been for a long while now) and the space marines are simply too small in comparison, so people respond really well to larger marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Imo it's pretty futile to compare anything to Guardsmen models anyway. They are pretty old and not up to GWs new standard. If anything, compare stuff to Skitarii models since those were the first 40k models GW produced with their new tech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5005942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Humans are consistent in size, but a wrong size. When you compare them to anything, including thier own vehicles, they are just too big. If you scale up marines, you also need to scale up all orks, necrons, eldar, tyranids, vehicles, terrain, Knights, battlesuits, daemons and I'm probably forgetting something. Kite Senet 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5006128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoA Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Humans are consistent in size, but a wrong size. When you compare them to anything, including thier own vehicles, they are just too big. If you scale up marines, you also need to scale up all orks, necrons, eldar, tyranids, vehicles, terrain, Knights, battlesuits, daemons and I'm probably forgetting something. Nah, nothing shall be bigger than the mighty Promaris Marines! Maybe chaos maybe... if they are nice and stop fighting back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5006526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) Humans are consistent in size, but a wrong size. When you compare them to anything, including thier own vehicles, they are just too big. If you scale up marines, you also need to scale up all orks, necrons, eldar, tyranids, vehicles, terrain, Knights, battlesuits, daemons and I'm probably forgetting something. Orks are just embarrassingly posed- I give Marine leg poses plenty of flak, but they're nowhere near as terrible as the Ork leg poses- an Ork boy basically looks boneless due to the strange posing, and not even in the way that would fit them. Eldar are fine as frail and a bit taller than humans, and I don't think the others have any other issues. Basic Orks honestly, aren't out of scale- they just have terrible design choices making them look worse than they are. https://veteransergeant.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/whats-on-the-workbench-11814/ Vehicles are an entirely different can of worms from infantry- the first issue is that most of them don't even have bases so the problem looks even worse. Edited February 8, 2018 by Ugolino Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5006530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamberlainskeksil Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) The humans are a great size. The current larger humans are definitely more interesting to paint than the size they were in the 90s.Scaling up a lot of other stuff makes no sense and actually isn't necessary if you look at the poses. Eldar look fine. Orks have already been explained. Necrons absolutely tower if you straighten their limbs. The other stuff like tyranids and whatever are all fine regardless. There's no realworld expectation of a termigant coming up to the shoulder of a human or whatever. Daemons can match humans and look great. Again, with reposing bloodletters are enormous already. Plaguebearers are big enough not to look out of place on 32mm bases. Everything looks fine together except short marines. Fortunately, like the Death Guard, the Thousand Sons have already been scaled up. If Ugolino wants to push that further, I think the waste spacer idea is probably the best. I took a closer look at the sprue and the loin cloth piece is separate and actually plugs into the front. You could probably just cut the insert off and raise that part half a mm to partially cover the 1mm spacer. Then you'd only have to recreate simple detail on the back. Edited February 8, 2018 by chamberlainskeksil Lucerne 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5006581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 The humans are a great size. The current larger humans are definitely more interesting to paint than the size they were in the 90s. Scaling up a lot of other stuff makes no sense and actually isn't necessary if you look at the poses. Eldar look fine. Orks have already been explained. Necrons absolutely tower if you straighten their limbs. The other stuff like tyranids and whatever are all fine regardless. There's no realworld expectation of a termigant coming up to the shoulder of a human or whatever. Daemons can match humans and look great. Again, with reposing bloodletters are enormous already. Plaguebearers are big enough not to look out of place on 32mm bases. Everything looks fine together except short marines. Fortunately, like the Death Guard, the Thousand Sons have already been scaled up. If Ugolino wants to push that further, I think the waste spacer idea is probably the best. I took a closer look at the sprue and the loin cloth piece is separate and actually plugs into the front. You could probably just cut the insert off and raise that part half a mm to partially cover the 1mm spacer. Then you'd only have to recreate simple detail on the back. Useful info- thanks! chamberlainskeksil 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344148-truescaling-a-squad-of-rubrics/#findComment-5006630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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