Acebaur Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Come on Brothers let us take this category! Elites is easy like HQ, ancients, champions, apothecaries! Plenty of easy things to make to boost our numbers and earn us Glory! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5028473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cognative Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I've got a few old school apothecaries, and I may be able to slap together some ancients and champions. And I've also got some cataphractii Terminators. I'll get some beginning pics tonight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5028557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The FA category will open in 12 hours' time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5030135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I have nothing else that I can vow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5030170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margulix Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Well i guess we are really outnumbered by the red boys. But anyways, brothers, we should never surrender! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5030852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cognative Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Well i guess we are really outnumbered by the red boys. But anyways, brothers, we should never surrender! New(er) codex that still has a good amount of hype behind it. New players in, old players back. Us Templar have been crusading so long we don't have as much to do! I've got over 10k points of Templars assembled (probably closer to 15k but I haven't counted in a while) and there isn't much more stuff that I need. But fear not, when those Red boys start to go back into hibernation, we will still be here Crusading, as our God Emperor told us to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5031007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 There will always be those that find themselves on the wagon. I'm surprised to see such a swelling of numbers as of late. I think you guys have done a tremendous job! keep up the good work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5031859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 As this is a modelling contest, I'd like to add something along this line. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of this particular source of alternate bits which is Spellcrow? You might want to check some of their range of "Templar" and "Space Knights" products Just food for thought, Templar cousins http://www.spellcrow.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=templars&x=0&y=0 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5032455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Post it in the BT resources Thread! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5032456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 As this is a modelling contest, I'd like to add something along this line. I'm not sure if you have ever heard of this particular source of alternate bits which is Spellcrow? You might want to check some of their range of "Templar" and "Space Knights" products Just food for thought, Templar cousins http://www.spellcrow.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=templars&x=0&y=0 Yes, all of those bitz are detailed in the Alternative Bitz thread that you can find a link to in the BT Resource pinned at the top of the page! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5032525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Chaplain Matthias+ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Did I miss the final score for the elite stratagem? I know we probably didn't win but how close was it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5032866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Is the plan for this to become a yearly build off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5033515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Is the plan for this to become a yearly build off? Potentially, but I think we'd have to show a little more ZEAL next time ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5033758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Is the plan for this to become a yearly build off? Potentially, but I think we'd have to show a little more ZEAL next time The nature of the rules for this competition, timed with the release of the BA codex + BA Primaris upgrades, left most of us standing out in the cold. And if this becomes a yearly thing, the same rules will probably result in the same manner of turnout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5035741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's a bit too restrictive for my liking. A build event is a good idea, but for me, I don't really build a model, THEN paint it. The two processes have become much more blurred. For instance, I would never normally glue tracks on a tank until I had painted the hull and the tracks separately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5035994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jober Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Well... The event is unbalanced, not because the rules but the differences between communities. Blood Angels receive a fancy codex each edition, sometimes with new releases. That is nice and increase their fan base, and vampiric and cursed theme is always a plus. I feel we deserve more love, but still we are in a better position than other chapters. We have 5 special or unique units (Helbretch, Grimaldus, Cenobyte Servitors, EC and Crusader Squad). Most chapters only have one character... Iron Hands have no special character, White Scars depend on the rules (one edition are top and next they are vanished)... BT's fan base seems to be more resilent, smaller and with less recruitment, but still fighting for the Emperor... Still purging heretic by Chainsword in a game of massive shooting. When were we included in the vainilla codex? Was it in 6thEd? Playing 5thEd with a 4thEd codex? Still here, making much noise... People laugh when I run BT... most of them say I should run Black UM or Raven Guard... but this is not the way. Sons of Dorn are done for suffering great amount of damage and still fighting, no matter the odds. We can lose a battle, but still we are the eternal crusaders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5036008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margulix Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Dark_Jober golden words, brother. I feel the same, plaing BT since i started Warhammer 15+ years ago. My first miniature (BT Marine) is still in my army, as Veteran Sargeant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5036109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawklynn Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 For me it was simply not knowing what this competition was going to be about, building. If I had know two weeks earlier I would have had a lot more to vow in the HQ and Troops and Elite weeks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5036135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 Well... The event is unbalanced, not because the rules but the differences between communities. Blood Angels receive a fancy codex each edition, sometimes with new releases. That is nice and increase their fan base, and vampiric and cursed theme is always a plus. I feel we deserve more love, but still we are in a better position than other chapters. We have 5 special or unique units (Helbretch, Grimaldus, Cenobyte Servitors, EC and Crusader Squad). Most chapters only have one character... Iron Hands have no special character, White Scars depend on the rules (one edition are top and next they are vanished)... BT's fan base seems to be more resilent, smaller and with less recruitment, but still fighting for the Emperor... Still purging heretic by Chainsword in a game of massive shooting. When were we included in the vainilla codex? Was it in 6thEd? Playing 5thEd with a 4thEd codex? Still here, making much noise... People laugh when I run BT... most of them say I should run Black UM or Raven Guard... but this is not the way. Sons of Dorn are done for suffering great amount of damage and still fighting, no matter the odds. We can lose a battle, but still we are the eternal crusaders. In what way is it unbalanced? We also receive a fancy new codex every edition and in fact always receive it before BA does. BA also got no new models released with this codex so I don't think blaming it on that is fair or has anything to do with the event. Honestly, It just feels like we lack the player base we once used to have here on the forum and/or we have a large group of veterans who simply don't need many new models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5039850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jober Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 In what way is it unbalanced? We also receive a fancy new codex every edition and in fact always receive it before BA does. BA also got no new models released with this codex so I don't think blaming it on that is fair or has anything to do with the event. Honestly, It just feels like we lack the player base we once used to have here on the forum and/or we have a large group of veterans who simply don't need many new models. Well, unbalanced because both armies started in different positions, sorry English is not my mother language and maybe I'm not doing my best. I'm sure there are more BA players than Templars and sure that there are more BA in tournaments or casual games than BT. Blood Angels have their own codex (BA+successor chapters), and they received special boxes (Primaris units and heros) with their heraldic, that is important for selling and increasing a fan base. Because you can buy Vainilla or BA or DA primaris, and then when Space Wolves will be released, I suppose they will receive more primaris boxes SW themed. So BA DA SW are the main SM chapters' ranges, and of course the vainilla range (being the BT and the other chapters "lesser chapters": White Scars, Salamanders, Iron Hands...). Also they receive new fluff and they have more amount of fluff (in terms of volum/pag number, etc.) and received great amounts of stories like Devastation of Baal that is really important in the new background. Black Templars in the other hand are in the vainilla codex (maybe the most divergent chapter in the codex) and didn't receive its own codex or "family codex" (Sons of Dorn codex), I think the main reason because we will never receive a "Sons of Dorn" codex is that Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists are codex chapters, but BT have similar amount of desviation and special stuff like DA for example, we are less codex compliant than them, and close to SW divergence. We are in the same group than other chapters that are codex compilant, but it is true that it is a better position than most of them because we have 5 special units that allow us to play really different. We are not receiving new BT minis, but we receive all vainilla's ones so it is ok. Another weakness is our fluff is really short and each edition is twisted... few days ago I started to read again the BT codex (2005)... there are many differences but our fluff is changing little bit codex after codex but not receiving enough love IMO. I know there are other chapters in a worse position (Iron Hands), but I'm not complaining, I'm only saying that the most balanced competition could be DA vs BA. Another example could be doing a Imperial Guard competition: Cadia or Scions vs Steel Legion (also first rules in Armageddon codex), there will be less players with steel legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5040247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Chaplain Matthias+ Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 For me it was just the fact that I've never played a game so I don't know what I want to fill out my army with yet beyond the hq and troops I have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5040443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader93 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 i think the issues i had were i didn't realise it was a building challenge till a day or two before the rules were put up and by then i had already built the models i could have entered the only ones i had left to build were HQ's so thats why i only entered into that and i feel thats maybe the case for many others here too... i also agree with Dark_Jober that a really popular stand alone codex vs a not very popular secondary chapter in Codex Ultra Marines (i hate to say that but its true) isn't exactly a fair match up. I mean when you enter a GW store what do you see in the space marine section: blue, red, green, grey and silver (maybe black and silver for DW) we aren't on the shelves anymore and it hurts us, new players aren't going to look at the codex then decide they're going to see what looks cool on the shelves and choose from there... so we aren't really going to have the numbers we once did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5041946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 My main issue has been with, is that beside Primaris, is that there is really isn’t anything I could be building to add to my army. Honor Gaurd where a vanity project. But otherwise, it’s just been motivation wise hard for me to want to build or get anything. I think that issue I imagine others have under fancy new codex. Is that we have been playing same army and even same units more or less sense 4th Edition. It’s why I want a new codex or new themed units like biker Crusaders. Mostly because I have gotten tired of building same units and models for last decade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5043662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCrusader93 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 crusader bikes is a unit we lost actually.... used to be able to mix scout and normal bikes in the same squad back in the Armageddon book... i'd love them back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5043737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Curses Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 One problem I’m having is that most of my models need a second pass before they’re table ready, even without doing any more painting. So I’m backed up with half done models that I can’t even use just to get points in this event. This is why I sat out the transport and will sit out the flyer vow, I need more than a week to get them done to a standard that is useful, despite having models in the box ready to be put together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344372-blood-zeal-2018/page/4/#findComment-5045936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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