General Strike Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.warhammer-community.com%2F2018%2F02%2F13%2Fadeptus-custodes-forge-world-beta-rules-and-codex-faqgw-homepage-post-4fw-homepage-post-2%2F&h=ATMUSL-osSiH37eY15zSBUFhZq6O14AuHbfqEH9n3x4Y1mRdHcyMMv5D_i6YD_A9h0bw5x9txYxlTln9DMbgbfIgUTkRcwjXzudsbCFmGrUUoWBM1y6w5Q5UIaIfxh0H1k-dINWeq9XNuoWChMn1enOenbUDZMJSAci5uiaz5k-RNRX7IXEtE8K3NnOm4_fNCTO12rqAoLqyvWUxATXhc5MDN0ESJyoAs4vRbg2dsrEg4TVitis5XCtQMvFvQKs27TDNIlcs5YLZBcX3_nDAbipmdaz4DSnPExU3hSpah7KPGj1jVdWB_aiG8b-jOsv74gftsAUJWfncHtv6BBvEq1K1cTwZgYarRuGR6ojQdJfbArJoKpt5oGHX1XTSaw&s=1 Woah, 370 for the Grav Carrier? Not bad. It also just says 6 Custodes infantry, doesn't matter if they are in TDA or not for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Josh Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Well the caladius answers our anti tank problem! Edit: just noticed you have to pay for the weapons on top of the 220... maybe not Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5009984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Contemptors and Land Raiders got nerfed, you now need “Aegis of the Emperor” to make use of it instead of “Adeptus Custodes”. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 AND be Infantry or Bikers. The tanks are fragile for our army, 3+ and 6++ - that's gonna hurt, even with the 6+++ from FNP. Beta rules sure, but it's gonna hurt. The flip side is FLY, so they won't be locked in melee either. The Achillus I think will be barely worth it, but worth it - it's a beast. The rest seem a bit overcosted, but needed. So many better options than a Land Raider. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 315 for the Caladius with 8 S8 AP-3 Dd3 shots to 60”, 3+/6++/6+++, -1 to be hit in melee, and the critical FLY keyword? And a wicked fast 16”? Yeah I’m happy. The Coronus is 30 points cheaper than the VLR, gives up the 2+ and two lascannon shots - in return it is significantly faster, has an upgraded twin heavy bolter, is harder to hit in melee, carries an extra model (which means it can have two squads) and, again has FLY. Also happy.I do think both are priced on the higher end - but as noted these are experimental rules and it's always better to start conservative and dial in from there, and these look like very good starting points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyD4rkPassenger Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Oh man I've been looking for a good enough reason to buy the dreadspear contemptor, those rules are awesome! I must resist until my birthday. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I would also note, the Lastrum Bolter is pretty nice. Rapid Fire 2, Str 5, AP -1! And the Achillus has two of them... That's 8 shots into a unit before the charge. Nice! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranulf Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I'm a fan of the Contemptor-Achillus miniature and rules, punch at range and up close. I'm guessing they'll release the Contemptor-Galatus rules later? Lastrum Bolters are a nice touch, should help with crowd control under 12". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 So for like 50 more points I get a landraider with better save and it dosnt take negatives go hit when it moves..... very underwhelming for the points. I hope a lot changes from these beta to actual release. Was very excited.....now not so much. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I'm a fan of the Contemptor-Achillus miniature and rules, punch at range and up close. I'm guessing they'll release the Contemptor-Galatus rules later? Lastrum Bolters are a nice touch, should help with crowd control under 12". IS lastrum what the Saggitarum have? If so may be seeing those as well? NVMno the same haha So for like 50 more points I get a landraider with better save and it dosnt take negatives go hit when it moves..... very underwhelming for the points. I hope a lot changes from these beta to actual release. Was very excited.....now not so much. :/ Big thing for me is the fly though. The games i have wacthed, the enemy has made it a priority to lock the LR down in combat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The Dreadnought is pretty boss for 245 as you can deepstrike it. The tank is really nice but too many points. Grav Carrier will definitely work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 *looks at the stat line for the Arachnus las-blaze**is afraid of the Arachnus blaze cannon* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I'm a fan of the Contemptor-Achillus miniature and rules, punch at range and up close. I'm guessing they'll release the Contemptor-Galatus rules later? Lastrum Bolters are a nice touch, should help with crowd control under 12". IS lastrum what the Saggitarum have? If so may be seeing those as well? NVMno the same haha No, the Sagitarrum have the equivalent of the weapon the "Imperial Space Marine" has in the Index with all the Space Marines in it. At least it was the same weapon in 7th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The Callidus needs to be priced around the 260ish point mark with all weapons. This would make it comparable to the popular Sicaran variants, costing more due to fly and slightly boosted defences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 So get some playtest reports in! I know I'm gonna! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I think the dreads are on the low side of attacks. Same as allarus and wardens? Strange. I would have gone 5 or 6. Hmm. Coronus suffers the issues of the floaty raider too many points. Dread spear in cc is our first and only at bare minimum flat 3 damage. That's awesome. Super happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Yeah, the Dreadspear is good. Potentially even great. Particularly with its shootiness. The fact it will do 3-6 damage per hit even better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It all lacks Aegis? The codex says all AC have it. Looks like these fellas are exceptions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnaughty Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It all lacks Aegis? The codex says all AC have it. Looks like these fellas are exceptions. You are aware that the Contemptor and Land Raider in the codex don't have Aegis right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It all lacks Aegis? The codex says all AC have it. Looks like these fellas are exceptions. They've errata'ed Aegis to say "some" units :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It all lacks Aegis? The codex says all AC have it. Looks like these fellas are exceptions. You are aware that the Contemptor and Land Raider in the codex don't have Aegis right?The Codex required the unit to have “Adeptus Custodes”, to get Aegis that was removed in the FAQ. So no more 5++ on the Land Raider anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnaughty Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 It all lacks Aegis? The codex says all AC have it. Looks like these fellas are exceptions.You are aware that the Contemptor and Land Raider in the codex don't have Aegis right?The Codex required the unit to have “Adeptus Custodes”, to get Aegis that was removed in the FAQ. So no more 5++ on the Land Raider anymore. The Faq provided a minor clarification. They never had Aegis in the codex since it was listed on all other unit datasheets. People trying to use it to justify the LR having it were being stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Dreadspear is great with minimum 3 damage! Caladius is too expensive and certainly too fragile for the points. I agree things generally are a bit on the expensive side but hopefully these beta rules will be dialled back a bit on their points. I’d also like to see movement penalties removed from the vehicle weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 245 seems pricy for the achillus. But i want one! Edit. I hope the upcoming IA book with more dead options (the gallatus is missing) has saggitarum in it as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFinisher4Ever Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 So does anyone else think that the twin Arachnus is supposed to be 2d6 shots in burst mode? Its very strange for a twin weapon to have d6 shots since the twin weapon is normally just double the single weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344389-adeptus-custodes-fw-beta-rules/#findComment-5010129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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