Leman Russ Conqueror vs Leman Russ Battle Tank

[Diagramdude]

I've been looking very hard at the Conqueror and I can't see any reason why one would take a vanilla battle cannon russ over it. For 3 more points you get a coaxial stormbolter that if you target it and the Conqueror battle cannon at the same target you can reroll ALL failed hits... so effectively you pay 3 points to gain full reroll to hit against targets within 24.

 

Is there any reason you wouldn't take a Conqueror over a normal battle cannon Russ?

[Tirak]

3 Reasons Not To Take Conqs.

 

1. Availability. Leman Russ Conquerors aren't made anymore, so getting your hands on one in order to satisfy some tourney requirements is nigh impossible.

 

2. Super Niche. If you know for a fact you're fighting Hammer and Anvil against an army who only has access to 48in guns for anti tank, you can take advantage of the 72in range to shoot with impunity.

 

3. Tank Commander. Tank Commanders can't be fielded in Conquerors.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

3 Reasons Not To Take Conqs.

 

1. Availability. Leman Russ Conquerors aren't made anymore, so getting your hands on one in order to satisfy some tourney requirements is nigh impossible.

 

2. Super Niche. If you know for a fact you're fighting Hammer and Anvil against an army who only has access to 48in guns for anti tank, you can take advantage of the 72in range to shoot with impunity.

 

3. Tank Commander. Tank Commanders can't be fielded in Conquerors.

Yup. Though I do like the Conq, the range on the regular LRBT gives you the ability to take full advantage of grinding advance. 

 

Conqs are poop for gunline guard. I like conqs though, as I said, and I use them in my lists. Since I don't play tournaments, not having the exact model is not a concern for me. I prefer a more aggressive style of play though. 

[Diagramdude]

Ahhhh I did not notice the Conqueror has a 48" range. Now I can see the tradeoff.

[Colonel Cross]

The mobility it can provide is pretty great though. No need for a TC to issue reroll 1s. And you can just use the Stratagem to have a TC order it to strike & Shroud once and then part ways.

[Tirak]

 

3 Reasons Not To Take Conqs.

 

1. Availability. Leman Russ Conquerors aren't made anymore, so getting your hands on one in order to satisfy some tourney requirements is nigh impossible.

 

2. Super Niche. If you know for a fact you're fighting Hammer and Anvil against an army who only has access to 48in guns for anti tank, you can take advantage of the 72in range to shoot with impunity.

 

3. Tank Commander. Tank Commanders can't be fielded in Conquerors.

Yup. Though I do like the Conq, the range on the regular LRBT gives you the ability to take full advantage of grinding advance. 

 

Conqs are poop for gunline guard. I like conqs though, as I said, and I use them in my lists. Since I don't play tournaments, not having the exact model is not a concern for me. I prefer a more aggressive style of play though. 

 

 

I think you're misreading point 2, I'm not saying Conq's are super niche, I'm saying there is a very niche circumstance where the battlecannon shines. I've fielded Conqs and I've fielded battle cannons, and to be completely honest the amount of firepower a Catachan conqueror puts out has far far outshinned my battlecannon russes. The only reason I field normal BC russes is because I can't get my hands on real Conq turrets and I'm practicing for Adepticon. As soon as i'm not constrained by their model policy, I'm going right back to the Conqueror cannons. In most traditional style games, the 48in range issue is no problem at all.

[Feral_80]

Considering that 8th relies on mobility, and that with the current meta BS 4+ long-range fire is pretty much screwed, there is indeed no sensible reason for *not* taking a Conqueror over a normal BT. I regularly field 2 with my Catachan 'assault' army and they perform good, although they hardly survive for long since LR durability is now poor. At least they don't cost too much (go hb and forget the sponsons).

 

The only reason not to field a Conqueror is if you are a wysiwyg-nazi, in that case it will be hard to find one (or you'll need to try and convert it). Regardless, it remains by far our best LR, even if it cannot take vehicle gear or the (in my opinion, pretty useless) Tank Commander.

Edited February 20, 2018 by Feral_80

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

 

 

3 Reasons Not To Take Conqs.

 

1. Availability. Leman Russ Conquerors aren't made anymore, so getting your hands on one in order to satisfy some tourney requirements is nigh impossible.

 

2. Super Niche. If you know for a fact you're fighting Hammer and Anvil against an army who only has access to 48in guns for anti tank, you can take advantage of the 72in range to shoot with impunity.

 

3. Tank Commander. Tank Commanders can't be fielded in Conquerors.

Yup. Though I do like the Conq, the range on the regular LRBT gives you the ability to take full advantage of grinding advance. 

 

Conqs are poop for gunline guard. I like conqs though, as I said, and I use them in my lists. Since I don't play tournaments, not having the exact model is not a concern for me. I prefer a more aggressive style of play though. 

 

 

I think you're misreading point 2, I'm not saying Conq's are super niche, I'm saying there is a very niche circumstance where the battlecannon shines. I've fielded Conqs and I've fielded battle cannons, and to be completely honest the amount of firepower a Catachan conqueror puts out has far far outshinned my battlecannon russes. The only reason I field normal BC russes is because I can't get my hands on real Conq turrets and I'm practicing for Adepticon. As soon as i'm not constrained by their model policy, I'm going right back to the Conqueror cannons. In most traditional style games, the 48in range issue is no problem at all.

 

Not really. I was more trying to add to at you had said. I honestly think that the Conqueror has tremendous advantages over the standard LRBT. I say that the conq is no good for a gunline, because it doesn't offer the range to give you board control without moving. I agree that the BC is a niche advantage over the versatility of the Conqueror. Perhaps I just wasn't clear about it.

[Withershadow]

Considering a board is 48" across, and you should be using plenty of terrain, a 48" range should be more than adequate in 99% of circumstances. Don't forget the lascannon you also probably bought for the tank is only 48" range.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Considering a board is 48" across, and you should be using plenty of terrain, a 48" range should be more than adequate in 99% of circumstances. Don't forget the lascannon you also probably bought for the tank is only 48" range.

I usually only take a lascannon on tank commanders. Now that I have decided to use the codex and just play Cadians, I only use Pask as my single TC, He's the only tank that gets a Lascannon (since his BS makes best use of it). 

 

You do have a point about range though. 48" is more than enough to threaten anything from a given point, I was mainly talking about those instances when one might want to turtle up and not move.

[Otto von Bludd]

Catachan Conquerors are probably the best Russ you can get for the point cost, Vostroyan is good if you feel you need more range.  They really are excellent, you shoot your main gun with more accuracy than a tank commander and can put out a hail of stormbolter shots to feel like a baby Punisher at close range with dual stormbolters.  Since 8th edition is a knife fight, the range probably will never be an issue.  As for modelling it, I just took my old style Leman Russ turrets and gave them a stubby barrel and stormbolter sticking out of what was the targetting box: http://i.imgur.com/x2SuOqn.jpg

Edited February 21, 2018 by Otto von Bludd

[Diagramdude]

Otto, that looks amazing! The stormbolter in the targeting box is brilliant.

[Danny Cyanide]

Consider the targeting box idea poached!

[Mileposter]

Awesome looking. I may not steal your idea directly, but it's certainly inspired converting that spot into a weaponry rack of some kind.

[Colonel Cross]

I just played an ambush mission last night and the first 2 turns were -1 to hit. The conqueror did some serious work. I'm a believer.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Newer Russ kits don't have that targeting box, as far as I know. So, I'm kind of stuck. I've got to dig through my SW bits, and see if I have some stormbolters that I can covert.

[Tyr13]

Ask someone who has the munitorum containers, those come with some really nice, slim storm bolters. :)

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

Eh, I have a metric ton of SW terminator bits, I just hacked up a couple of arms to get at the stormbolters. I just need to smooth them out with some greenstuff. I also added a heavy stubber coax to my command Vanquisher (yes, I use the Vanq, don't judge me), just for looks. 

 

The Conqueror is a great tank. My only issue is that it can't be taken in a regular LRBT Squadron or with a TC. I like the idea of having my Conquerors with a Demolisher or Punisher wingman. Similarly I take issue that the Stygies Vanquisher is similarly excluded from LRBT Sqdns and TC's, even though the Stygies is kinda poop, having a coax stormbolter rather than a coax heavy stubber. 

[Otto von Bludd]

I'm glad you all like it, I think I lifted that storm bolter idea from a picture I found while looking for converted Leman Russes, and the barrel is simply a piece taken out of a Bic pen with a greenstuff ring around it to connect it to the sawed off original barrel.  The various internals of Bic pens are absolutely amazing for making various IG weapon barrels to the point where I have a small graveyard of eviscerated pen husks and am forced to type everything out instead of writing it. 

[depthcharge12]

I want to like the conquerer but I’m being held back because you can only reroll hits if you shoot the storm Bolter correct? It only has a 24” Range, and most things (aside from those charging you) you want to shoot with the cannon are outside that range.

 

Have any of you found that to be an issue?

[zero88]

With the mobility of 8th, odds are you will usually meet your 29" range (including movement), and if you don't, you will almost certainly always be able to use the 53" range that still has the same output of a regular LRBT

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

With the mobility of 8th, odds are you will usually meet your 29" range (including movement), and if you don't, you will almost certainly always be able to use the 53" range that still has the same output of a regular LRBT

Stormbolters are 24" range, and the Conqueror BC is a 48" range. I don't know where you got your ranges from.

 

 

I want to like the conquerer but I’m being held back because you can only reroll hits if you shoot the storm Bolter correct? It only has a 24” Range, and most things (aside from those charging you) you want to shoot with the cannon are outside that range.

 

Have any of you found that to be an issue?

Not necessarily, 24" is still plenty far to engage, especially with the mobile nature of 8th. Also remember that cover is a thing. Park it behind some ruins 24" from your intended target, hit it with that stormbolter and enjoy old-school twin-linked goodness... 

 

I can see your concern though. You might need a good distraction carnifex to occupy the opponent.

[Reviler]

The 29 and 53 include the distance of a half move for the tank.

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

The 29 and 53 include the distance of a half move for the tank.

Ah, understood. I missed that part. I never seem to think in terms of threat range. 

 

I'm really tempted to add two more conquerors to my Army (converted from battle tanks of course).