Hesh Kadesh Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Got a little bit bored at work today, so I've penned in a few options for Generic Legion Relics, and also the concept of Legion Banners. Command Squads have always been a bit "meh", and hopefully this could encourage their use somewhat. I've included for the purposes of completeness the Legio II and XI Legion Relic Banners - Unlike the normal rules for the Relic of the Dark Age of Technology, this option may not need to be taken by an Independent Character - it must be taken by a model with the "Legion Standard" wargear. It otherwise follows the standard rules for all Relics of the Dark Age, although any reference to "character equipped with a Relic of the Dark Age of Technology" should also include the bearer of a Legion Relic Banner. Legio II; Space Wolves Relic Banner Blackmane Pelt (30pts); All friendly models with the Legiones Astartes (Space Wolves) special rule within 6" of the bearer include Sweeping Advance within the movement affected by the Hunter's Gait special rule, and all enemy units with 1 or more model within 6" of the banner before they move reduce any Sweeping Advance, Run and Consolidation moves they make by 1". Legio XI; Thousand Sons Relic Banner Ephemereal Windcatcher (30pts); If a model (friend or foe) within 6" of this banner attempts to manifest a power, immediately after any rolls to Deny the Witch, you may roll a D6 for each Warp Charge that has not been nullified. On a 6+, you regain the Warp Charge. Legio XVI; The Drowned Relic Banner Banner of the Deeps (50pts); If a model becomes Stubborn as a result of the Legiones Astartes (The Drowned) special rule, but at least one such model in the same unit is within 6" of this banner, it instead gains the Rampage special rule. Please feel free to add your own and I'll copy them into the OP. Edited March 7, 2018 by Hesh Kadesh Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Legion V: Halcyon Wardens Relic Banner Banner of the Shield (50? points): All friendly models with the Legiones Astartes (Halcyon Wardens) special rule within 6'' of the bearer can reroll one failed armour save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5033846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Legion XII: Wardens of Light Relic Banner - Banner of Light: I have a name but no Idea^^ May the Bling be strong in you: Maybe the bling is strong an in 6" around the banner units can only hit by a 6+/ or with -1 BS. Or something like that: Forced Pacification: once per game choose an enemy unit or character model: Roll a dice 1-2 can't charge, 3-5 can't shoot 6+ can't do anything this round. Just spitballing ideas.grifft, hesh, team: your help is appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5033933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Awesone guys, cheers! @simison: that reroll, is it once per battle, per turn, or per phase? I can't help but feel that it will become a bit annoying when it comes to doing it in an aura multiple times per turn, when models move, etc, and how wounds are allocated after saves etc. What about a benefit to Samsara? Regaining Samsara after use (say for example a model in a unit with one or more models within 6" may regain the Samsara roll on a 4+ after use? Or allows units within 6" at the start of the turn generate Samara? Mikhal: I like this idea, but think it feels extrmeely powerful for an always on -1 to hit with shooting and could lead to the stupid conga lines we used to with Tyranid Venomthropes. Perhaps a 4+ Cover Save against all overwatch attacks against WoL units with one or mlre models within 6", and once per battle, give all friendly units within 6" the Hammer of Wrath special rule, which has the Blind special rule. FYI, not forgot about looking through your rules man, I've actually got a game lined up tomorrow with a few old mates of my group, and we're gonna have a countas use your rules. MikhalLeNoir 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I was thinking of once per phase, but I can definitely see that becoming annoying. How about once per game, but reroll all armour saves in 12 inches? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 By changing the word models to units you could make it come into effect 1/phase and not be too overpowering. That way you'd only need to know if the unit were in range at the beginning of the phase, not if each individual model were. On the other hand you would get only a single re-roll per unit rather than for each model in range, but that is a reasonable trade off IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Awesone guys, cheers! @simison: that reroll, is it once per battle, per turn, or per phase? I can't help but feel that it will become a bit annoying when it comes to doing it in an aura multiple times per turn, when models move, etc, and how wounds are allocated after saves etc. What about a benefit to Samsara? Regaining Samsara after use (say for example a model in a unit with one or more models within 6" may regain the Samsara roll on a 4+ after use? Or allows units within 6" at the start of the turn generate Samara? Mikhal: I like this idea, but think it feels extrmeely powerful for an always on -1 to hit with shooting and could lead to the stupid conga lines we used to with Tyranid Venomthropes. Perhaps a 4+ Cover Save against all overwatch attacks against WoL units with one or mlre models within 6", and once per battle, give all friendly units within 6" the Hammer of Wrath special rule, which has the Blind special rule. FYI, not forgot about looking through your rules man, I've actually got a game lined up tomorrow with a few old mates of my group, and we're gonna have a countas use your rules. Oh. That could work. And you test tomorrow our rules? Cool thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Legio VII; Berserkers of Uran relic totem "The Devil's Due" stimm dispenser (60pts); Friendly models with the Legiones Astartes: Berserkers of Uran special rule in the same unit as the bearer may choose one of the following bonuses at the start of each turn. These last until the end of the turn:+1WS, +1S, +1A, rending (melee only) I'm fully aware this is probably way too strong, but I have a fun mental image. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I like the idea of relics being standsrds. Maybe the Berserkers' was carried into battle against the Angels and confers Feel No Pain or similar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 If we had blood angels in ourverse, then I bet the berserkers banner would be a blood angel like the sanguinor impaled on a stick, tied with chains and his wings broken hanging down....Raktra, please make such a banner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 You're not too far off, Mik. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (lets out a low growl...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 By changing the word models to units you could make it come into effect 1/phase and not be too overpowering. That way you'd only need to know if the unit were in range at the beginning of the phase, not if each individual model were. On the other hand you would get only a single re-roll per unit rather than for each model in range, but that is a reasonable trade off IMO. I much prefer this to having a once-per-game ability. But should that be 50 points or be cheaper? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345059-legion-banner-relics/#findComment-5034859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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