Are all new recruits turned into Primaris Marines?

[Guest]

What's the source of the picture?

[MyD4rkPassenger]

That was the cover of a white dwarf that also included it as a poster.

[Blindhamster]

it's legit, as MyD4rkPassenger says its from WD, and the primaris are definitely larger, whilst not being on the scale difference the models are, which makes sense as current marine models arent much larger than humans, the deathwatch stuff is a little taller than normal, but more benefit from an upright pose.

Either way, some people in here are making some crazy assumption about scale based on models that already dont have consistent scale across the range. My point was that the art and descriptions in novels have depicted them as larger than normal marines but not towering over them and making them seem small.

[deathspectersgt7]

But when has Story ,Art and model ever line up? I bet not very often.

[Guest]

Looking at the art they appear only slightly taller than a normal SM, which is odd since Primaris are supposed to be taller than terminators even. The bolters appear to be standard bolters and not the larger Primaris variants.

 

So either the artist didn't know what the Primaris really had or how big they were. Or GW threw in the whole larger thing at the last moment to make people freak out less about the scale differences (it didn't work). I am leaning to the latter of the two, none of the organs seem to increase SM size by any considerable amount.

[Blindhamster]

Looking at the art they appear only slightly taller than a normal SM, which is odd since Primaris are supposed to be taller than terminators even. The bolters appear to be standard bolters and not the larger Primaris variants.

 

So either the artist didn't know what the Primaris really had or how big they were. Or GW threw in the whole larger thing at the last moment to make people freak out less about the scale differences (it didn't work). I am leaning to the latter of the two, none of the organs seem to increase SM size by any considerable amount.

They're not supposed to be larger than terminators though? That's not stated anywhere. Also the bolters the primaris marines are clearly different to the regular bolters in the art, they all have the scopes and longer Barrel as well as the rack on the top.

[Guest]

 

Looking at the art they appear only slightly taller than a normal SM, which is odd since Primaris are supposed to be taller than terminators even. The bolters appear to be standard bolters and not the larger Primaris variants.

So either the artist didn't know what the Primaris really had or how big they were. Or GW threw in the whole larger thing at the last moment to make people freak out less about the scale differences (it didn't work). I am leaning to the latter of the two, none of the organs seem to increase SM size by any considerable amount.

They're not supposed to be larger than terminators though? That's not stated anywhere. Also the bolters the primaris marines are clearly different to the regular bolters in the art, they all have the scopes and longer Barrel as well as the rack on the top.

Maxim was the sole early-pattern Space Marine inside the Overlord’s twinned hulls. Every other was of the Primaris generation. Maxim’s hood and the badges on his ornate blue armour made him bulkier than his own brothers, but every one of the Primaris Space Marines was taller than him, and more powerfully built. (Maxim is wearing Terminator Librarian armor)

 

As for the weapons I am wrong they are longer but not as long as the models.

Edited March 9, 2018 by Jarl Caldersson

[Robbienw]

They look very big, I think the size difference between Japan hero Marines and deathwatch compared to Primaris is 100% accurate

[Blindhamster]

Looking at the art they appear only slightly taller than a normal SM, which is odd since Primaris are supposed to be taller than terminators even. The bolters appear to be standard bolters and not the larger Primaris variants.

So either the artist didn't know what the Primaris really had or how big they were. Or GW threw in the whole larger thing at the last moment to make people freak out less about the scale differences (it didn't work). I am leaning to the latter of the two, none of the organs seem to increase SM size by any considerable amount.

They're not supposed to be larger than terminators though? That's not stated anywhere. Also the bolters the primaris marines are clearly different to the regular bolters in the art, they all have the scopes and longer Barrel as well as the rack on the top.

Maxim was the sole early-pattern Space Marine inside the Overlord’s twinned hulls. Every other was of the Primaris generation. Maxim’s hood and the badges on his ornate blue armour made him bulkier than his own brothers, but every one of the Primaris Space Marines was taller than him, and more powerfully built. (Maxim is wearing Terminator Librarian armor)

As for the weapons I am wrong they are longer but not as long as the models.

Um, where does it say he was wearing terminator armour? do a search for terminator armour through the entire book and there isn't a single point it suggests he is, in fact the references to terminator armour are for andros, the squad calgar uses to fight insurgents and for the ones felix links up with during the big battle near the end, plus a reference to terminator plate compared to gravis plate.

It does say hes bulkier than the rest, but this is specifically because of his hood and badges on his armour make him so.

For weapons,yes, the art doesn't perfectly match the models, because the models are heroic scale. Heroic scale means oversized hands, oversized heads and oversized weapons.

They look very big, I think the size difference between Japan hero Marines and deathwatch compared to Primaris is 100% accurate

Space marines being 7-7.5ft tall, vs human 6ft (with both marines and humans having a little further room for variation based on homeplanets obviously).

Primaris are probably about a foot taller on average I bet, so 8-8.5 on the tall end (would fit with the official art showing the two types next to eachother where the primaris are probably around a head taller, and humans should be around a head shorter than space marines).

So I did a quick comparison, and I agree, you're probably right that the scale isn't too far off, considering the primaris marine isn't hugely taller than the deathwatch marine, and incidentally the difference between a forceworld human and an astartes is similar to an astartes and primaris (quick note on the difference stances, i checked a walking primaris and he was the same height as the loading one, so GW have done that thing they like to do where legs shrink as marines stand more upright)

Edited March 10, 2018 by Blindhamster

[Guest]

I could of sworn that Maxim was in Terminator armor.

 

There is also Grimnar (who only wears terminator armor) and Primaris were taller.

 

There was a third, clad in the primary-blue plate and icons of the Ultramarines Chapter. The outsider – or utlander as the Fenrisians would say – was a giant among giants. Logan Grimnar in full battleplate was no meagre sight, but the Son of Macragge that stood next to him was even larger.

 

I am not arguing but trying to pin down how big Primaris are based on the books. I have always been told they were taller than termies but that photo looks like they are only a half a head or head taller.

[Blindhamster]

I've not read the space wolf one yet, any good??

[Guest]

theme is decent, but gav thorpe seems to drag it out for the first 1/3 and describing bolter porn, then rush it at the end. I would say its meh, compared to recent novels I've read (all the primarchs, dante, dark imperium, Emperors Spears, and another one i forgot the name of) I would say that only Roboute Guilliman novel is worst... 

 

I was hoping to get insight of how the wolves deal with the primaris, or the start of russ's return, just anything but it gave us what we already knew was going to happen base on prior books. I would say it was a waste of time, but no books is a waste.

Edited March 10, 2018 by Jarl Caldersson

[Trevak Dal]

Can't they Primarise Astartes? Man that's gotta be rough for iron hands and their successors...the whole augmentation fetish. Edited March 10, 2018 by Trevak Dal

[Guest]

Can't they Primarise Astartes? Man that's gotta be rough for iron hands and their successors...the whole augmentation fetish.

One of the organs is metal inside the muscles. I mean for parts you can't replace that's as good as it gets!

[Captain Idaho]

GW appear to have moved away from that sort of explanation. It was suggested on the Warhammer Community but I believe the backlash of the community has made GW rethink.

 

I doubt we'll see anyone Primaris converts from existing characters. It'll just invalidate models and alienate the community.

[slitth]

I still think that this will come down to faith and superstition vs pragmatism.

How may worlds would be able to carry the compliance status in the eyes of Guilliman?

 

I have no doubt that a Land Raider could be modified to carry primaris, but then I would only be usable to primaris.

And how many tech-marines would allow such heresy to be carried out on such a noble machine spirit?

 

And if old gene-seed are unusable to make primaris then some chapters would probably see this as destroying their legacy.

 

Edit: That poses a interesting question, can old gene-seed be used in the creation of primaris?

Edited March 10, 2018 by slitth

[Robbienw]

No, cawl specifically made new gene seed to go with the new organs.

[Viridia]

the only art i can think of that shows primaris beside regular marines is this, they're bigger but the size difference isn't as large as the models would suggest.

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And now I have a new desktop background. God-Emperor on his throne, I forgot how awesome Crimson Fists look when making last stands.

[slitth]

No, cawl specifically made new gene seed to go with the new organs.

Then I would expect a that they would be low on the new gene-seed for the first 100 years or so.

Unless Cawl has a big unused stockpile of gene-seed.

And if that is the case why not use more of it to make more chapters in this time of need?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Can't they Primarise Astartes? Man that's gotta be rough for iron hands and their successors...the whole augmentation fetish.

​Aren't the Primaris Marines themselves meant to be Primaris-ised Astartes? If Cawl did it once...

[Blindhamster]

 

Can't they Primarise Astartes? Man that's gotta be rough for iron hands and their successors...the whole augmentation fetish.

​Aren't the Primaris Marines themselves meant to be Primaris-ised Astartes? If Cawl did it once...

 

 

nah, he took candidates for the legions before implantation had begun.

 

 

 

No, cawl specifically made new gene seed to go with the new organs.

Then I would expect a that they would be low on the new gene-seed for the first 100 years or so.

Unless Cawl has a big unused stockpile of gene-seed.

And if that is the case why not use more of it to make more chapters in this time of need?

 

 

Current timeline is over 100 years since primaris were introduced to the ultramarines, and around 40 since the BA got primaris on baal, but most chapters got a large enough portion of primaris to totally rebuild, theres no indication of under strength chapters in newer background as far as Ive seen.

[Ascanius]

The suggestion that existing Space Marines could be upgraded into Primaris was made on the Warhammer TV Twitch stream, not in print on Warhammer Community, as far as I know. There's no archive of the stream in question because there seems to be an automatic cutoff past a certain number of weeks back on Warhammer TV's Twitch account.