Teetengee Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 For anyone wondering why the restriction to not add too much, I want to mention how when I first conceived of the original Angels Exultant founding, the idea of the psychic link (so important to most blood angels successors) was entirely absent. That a mutation in that had partially fed into the original portrayal was a really neat concept that only came out through the collaboration. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Edited, any better? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 New blood for the new blood god! Very happy to see people already participating, great stuff :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Edited, any better? Much, much better. Now I can see the Wyvernspawn are pragmatic, ruthless and with little care for flimsy, immaterial concepts like honour or needless sacrifice. I could see them crossing paths with the loyalists and really being a genuine threat to the stability of the Liber Cluster. Between the Oneiroi, the Wyvernspawn and the Gravewalkers, we've got quite the crew of renegades coming together. Oh, the carnage they could cause, given the opportunity... Now we just need some brave souls to help the Corsairs remind the Liber Cluster why Chaos is called the GREAT enemy. Dizzyeye01 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Sorry for dropping the thread and running, but this weekend has been surprisingly busy for me. Just want to say that there are some very interesting ideas dropped already, and when I have some more free time I'll give some thorough C&C and update the list! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Edit: Misread the rules, nevermind. Edited March 18, 2018 by No Foes Remain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just to reiterate the rules of the submissions. It's one submission per person. The Primaris Chapters are all of the Ultima Founding. The Chaos Warbands can have lengthier histories, but are new to the Cluster. The Renegade Chapters are created from gene-seed stolen from the Ultima Founding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Cambrius Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'll add to this later. Got an idea for a Chaos Marine force conglomerate called the Forsaken. Will put it up when I get access to my laptop tomorrow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzyeye01 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Ah, my mistake. I thought by Renegade chapters it meant forces that hadn't fallen to chaos but were not alles of the Imperium. I'll be sure to update my idea to fit into either the Chaos Warbands or the Renegade chapters. I am curious who this cabal force could be... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) So... scratch the Wyvernspawn's history? Or just have them resurrected from near extinction after their fleet is found floating in the void? Edited March 18, 2018 by Beren Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Argent Claws * GENE-SEED (PREDECESSOR) - unknown* FOUNDING - Ultima* CHAPTER MASTER - High Chieftain Likaani, lord of the patient storm* HOME WORLD/BASE OF OPERATIONS - Askar (Deathworld within Subsector Sindhi)* OBSERVED STRATEGIC TENDENCIES - heavy infantry assaults; liberation and eradication operations* BATTLE CRY - “For the Sky Father!”* CURRENT STRENGTH - about 600* KNOWN DESCENDANTS - None "We are the haunting blade and the killing blow We bring mankind’s foes demise and sorrow." — Battle Mantra of the Argent Claws As part of the Ultima Founding did, the force, later known as the Argent Claws, awoke in an Imperium asunder. The once promised golden age of the Imperium is a mere fracture of its promises. They joined the Indomitus Crusade of the newly proclaimed Lord Commander of the Imperium, RobouteGuiliman, acting as his preferred pathfinders and footman along with other more specialized forces like the Warbeasts chapter. They soon earned a reputation of grim and remorseless, yet capable and effective force, which specialized in heavy infantry tactics. Further, were their brothers called to be well trained, equipped and prepared for every possible battlefield. Still, there are some rumors saying that the self-appointed Argent Claws already fought during one of the darkest eras in imperial history, the Scouring. Among similarities in both, the preferred way of fighting and livery, for example, the usage of a Sabretooth’s skull as a mark of identification, do both forces seem to have a certain disdain against the lethal Death Guard for reasons unknown. If reports deem to be true, were this mysterious force of Astartes fighting along a bunch of outcasts of the Vth LegionesAstartes, called the SagyarMazan. Together, they chased after the renegade Legions until they certainly disappeared. Some records called them the Silver Blades for their fast and merciless way of extinguishing the Imperium’s foes. During the actions of the Indomitus Crusade, while fighting against the rising threat of Chaos, the developed a certain disdain to some imperial authorities like the Ecclesiarchy, which praises the Emperor as a god. A clear violation of the Emperor’s teachings, they were once raised by. Among countless threats, like raging OrkWaaaghs! or the hideous minions of the Dark Pantheon, were the Argent Claws tasked to chase after the so-called Keliax Confederation, a coalition of the remains of four different Xenos races and human settlers. After conquering the Xenos infested worlds, where they give the right to own a separate world to call home, Askar, an icy world hidden deep within the Subsector Sindhi in the distant and so-called Liber Cluster. There, they joined fellowship with several other and older chapters like the Scarlet Sentinels or the Black Falcons and expanded their grip over Askar, turning it into a full-grown chapter homeworld. Still, did the Argent Claws held close ties to their new brethren of Askar, going on a hunt or whaling with them when the situation allows it. Taking a separate path than the Indomitus Crusade, led to the development of their own culture and the forging of their own destiny. They adapted to the culture of Askar’s people, which consist of hardened and some might say grim tribes. Descending from the cold and merciless world of Askar leaves a mark upon one for Askaris known as a Deathworld, inhabited by several lethal predators like the amphibious Seawolves or the tall Thornwhales, which are the target of regular occurring whaling. Distant, grim, wary and savage is what those unfamiliar with the Argent Claws would say about them. However, those, who share a bond with them, agreed unexceptionally that the Argent Claws are an embattled brotherhood of survivors characterized by colossal hearts and unshakable resolve. ------------------------ So here's the first draft of my Argent Claws background. It's a short summary covering the most important key facts. Got the basic framework done but I'm eager to work with you on them. Edited March 18, 2018 by Kelborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Once more with the C&C; please forgive me if this comes off as harsh.So far I think these submissions have tons of potential, and I'm hoping to do my bit to help them all shine. Still, there are some rumours saying that the self-appointed Argent Claws already fought during one of the darkest eras in imperial history, the Scouring. Among similarities in both, preferred way of fighting and livery, for example the usage of a Sabretooth’s skull as a mark of identification, do both forces seem to have a certain disdain against the lethal Death Guard for reasons unknown. If reports deem to be true, were this mysterious force of Astartes fighting along a bunch of outcasts of the Vth LegionesAstartes, called the SagyarMazan. Together, they chased after the renegade Legions until they certainly disappeared. Some records called them the Silver Blades for their fast and merciless way of extinguishing the Imperium’s foes. I truthfully have no idea what this paragraph is trying to tell me. On the other hand, you can remove it entirely and the article still reads just fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzyeye01 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 @ Beren: What you could do is actually is make what you've written so far be turned into rumors about how the force was constructed with the original members being used at trainers for the renegades. These trainers could then be the reason why they have a similar belief to that of the idea you currently have. Something like, "Though there has been no concrete evidence, it is believed that the remnants of a dead chapter have been involved in the training of this renegade force. Further investigation is required." That way you can still incorporate the belief system of the Wrvymnspawn into this renegade force that could share the same name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Will do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Once more with the C&C; please forgive me if this comes off as harsh. So far I think these submissions have tons of potential, and I'm hoping to do my bit to help them all shine. Still, there are some rumours saying that the self-appointed Argent Claws already fought during one of the darkest eras in imperial history, the Scouring. Among similarities in both, preferred way of fighting and livery, for example the usage of a Sabretooth’s skull as a mark of identification, do both forces seem to have a certain disdain against the lethal Death Guard for reasons unknown. If reports deem to be true, were this mysterious force of Astartes fighting along a bunch of outcasts of the Vth LegionesAstartes, called the SagyarMazan. Together, they chased after the renegade Legions until they certainly disappeared. Some records called them the Silver Blades for their fast and merciless way of extinguishing the Imperium’s foes. I truthfully have no idea what this paragraph is trying to tell me. On the other hand, you can remove it entirely and the article still reads just fine. oh..^^" We know that the Fulminators fought during the Scouring. I just wanted to hint at a possible background for them, as well. The initial idea behind this was a Dusk Raider blackshield force allied with Sagyar Mazan Scars. After deciding to participate in the Liber Cluster, I thought, why not turning them into a (inofficial) Dusk Raider Primaris force, which fought along said Sagyar Mazan. Due to the influence of the Scars, were the Primaris coined by their culture. Doesn't have to be the case, if it's not feasible enough, though. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Will tagging this on the front suffice? The rogue planets of the Deep have long claimed the lives of many that have dared venture to their surfaces. Recently a new threat has presented itself. The Exploratory Expedition Gamma-Aleph 278 had departed to the Rogue World of K-Altar 25 in two stages. The second stage, composed of specialist Magi, found their Skitarii vanguard slaughtered. By the time they hastily withdrew from the planet they had records of a vast floating edifice that struck from the sky, and the corpses of near two dozen Astartes that had been caught in a cliff fall. The recovered Gene Seed bore marked similarities to that of the renegade Oneiroi, but a single veteran leader bore heritage of a different origin. Though unconfirmed, tactical and heraldic matches have been confirmed with an ancient Chapter long thought destroyed in their exile. Further investigation may be required, but if their survivors have been utilised to train a new army for the Penumbra it is unlikely the Imperium will ever lay claim to what they seek to protect except by drenching those with worlds with Imperial blood. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5034941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzyeye01 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Right, after some rewriting and some work editing graphics, here is the complete second draft for the Gravewalkers. Let me know if there are any problems still there :) File Sao7923: Image captured of a Gravewalker during the Sundering of Three Armies. Note the ad-hoc aditions and similarities to the MArk X armour found commonly on Primaris Space Marines. From what can be gathered by Inquisitors’ of the Liber Branch within the Liber Cluster, the Gravewalkers rose the Deep and have since preyed on the scraps and resources wherever possible, ranging from firepower to that of men. Like with other renegade forces appearing within the Cluster, it is believed that the Gravewalkers are drawn from stolen gene-seed taken during the raids on the Liber Founding. How this force was trained is unknown however one of the more likely theories is that whatever managed to steal the geneseeds was also able to convince outcasts and renegades to train these recruits. Tied into this, another theory orbiting around the Gravewalkers is that those who are drawn into their ranks are actually abducted children taken from across the length and breadth of the Cluster. While there are numerous cases of missing children, this is nothing new within the realm of the Imperium and more evidence is needed to confirm this. The warband itself has been hard to track due to how they operate and the loyalty they have to one another. More often than not, lightning raids are conducted while in the void, hitting their weak points before securing any precious cargo and disappearing without a trace. Outside of the void though, the renegades avoid open conflict where possible, launching hit and run attacks as squads harass their opponents. Such tactics not only show the conservative nature of the Gravewalkers but also the professional prowess that is usually not seen in a renegade force. An example of such force is seen in the Soul Reaper system where Rogue Trader Tarivux Everdawns’ fleet had been ambushed by a waiting Gravewalker force. What little footage was recovered by the grace of the Mechanicus showed three teams of Gravewalkers, each in their own ad-hoc armour, storm the ships and gun down any crew members and security caught between them and critical systems keping the ship alive. To what end is unknown however the cargo carried by the rogue trader was not recovered. As for the appearance, a Gravewalkers’ armour is in the gunmetal grey, covering up any signs of their former legion or chapter. It is also heavily scavenged, usually show the makeshift attempts at repairs along with patterns not blessed by the forges of the Omnesiash. Along with this, runes can also be seen scratched into the armour, usually on the shoulder pads, knees and so forth. Attempts at deciphering the runes on their armour have come to nothing though it is believed that these runes are to show a marines’ squad and strike force. Finally, another common feature is the death mask forged into each helmet. Inquisitor Atronr believes that once inducted into the Gravewalkers, each remember must craft this mask to represent what they have become. Each mask varies, ranging from clean and sanguine to hideous and inhumane. Dosjetka, Doctor Perils, Kelborn and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Today in the morning, I thought: "Hey, let's copy the entire first page with all of the already existing fluff in a word document as an evening read." It turned out to be about 100 pages. What a tremendous job you guys did! :O It's already enough stuff for a supplement for Deathwatch, for example. Great work! :tu: If someone's interested, I can upload it and share it with you, after formatting it. As I'm new to the Liber Cluster, how do I proceed? Working on my chapter and sharing my thoughts as usual? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 As I'm new to the Liber Cluster, how do I proceed? Working on my chapter and sharing my thoughts as usual? I'd advise patience. Wait and see what everyone else comes up with before we start developing anything further. I know it's not easy to do - I already have a thousand ideas for how the Corsairs of Azahan could make their mark on the Cluster, but I'm waiting to see who the other players in this game will be. Besides that, however, the point of the Cluster is that everyone works on the Chapters - none of the existing Chapters were the work of one person alone, but many. So, for example, I might never get to implement any of my ideas for the Corsairs, but instead I might get asked to work on something for the Oneiroi, or the Argent Claws. But that will only come once all the submissions for the New Bloods are in, so... back to patience. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Thanks, Ace. I expected something like that but I wanted to be sure. :) So I'll be patient and work on something different in the meantime, let's say my T'au Sept. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Thanks, Ace. I expected something like that but I wanted to be sure. So I'll be patient and work on something different in the meantime, let's say my T'au Sept. Sounds good. I'm burning off excess creative energy by inventing MOAR WORLDS for the Liber Cluster - I've got at least two more for every Subsector so far, some of which would be very fun to stage battles or stories on. The hardest part, as always, is coming up with good names. But enough about that: let's see some more Chapters and Warbands! The rallying call echoes throughout the Liber - who wants to start work on something new? Carpe diem - the time is now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 If you need some assistance in creating worlds, etc., I got some ideas / names, as well. Just drop me a note. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfdeltafoxtrot Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 This all sounds fascinating. I love creating bits of lore like this, ever since my dad and I came up with my first DIY chapter when I was about 10. I'd love to throw my hat into the ring with an Ultima Founding chapter of Primaris marines. I'm currently building up a Raven Guard army and have been reading a lot about them, so I'd like to make a Raven Guard successor. I'm also (inevitably, as a Raven Guard fan) intrigued by the idea of power-armoured post-humans conducting stealth operations, so I'm going to try to incorporate that into their modus operandi. Is there a good resource for existing yet niche Chapters, so that I don't accidentally choose a name or iconography that's already claimed? I know there's precedent for that, but I'd rather avoid it if possible. I'll try and work on things over the next few days. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Necron Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Can my Warband have a mixture of Traitor Guard/Lost and Damned?Dizzyeye: You know I'm genuinely liking your warband, their aesthetic is stupendous. I haven't begun painting my Chaos Marine miniatures but I'm tempted to nab up on that pallet you go there.My only real gripe is I feel, and it's more likely only me, there's a heap of potential for Warp Shananigans. I could even scratch that out but I'd love to read something rabid about them. From what I can see they're terrifying, even by Astarte's standards. Capitalize on that, throw in a contingent of Raptor Cults, have a couple of Obliterators in stasis, crazy things. Take that gorgeously terrifying Astarte's and go 'Hey guys, you think I'm scary check out this guy'.Eh, just food for thought so take it as you will. Edited March 19, 2018 by Fat Necron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzyeye01 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 @ golfdeltafoxtrot There is the Tabula Astartes which can be accessed in the DIY Resourced pinned at the top of the Liber. It should have all the chapters that currently exists and all organised into geneseed etc. @ Fat Necron: You might want to hear from someone who's organised it but personally I would be slright with a warband that had elements of Traitor Guard/Lost and Damned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345172-the-liber-cluster-ii/page/3/#findComment-5035425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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