THE LIBER CLUSTER II

[Dizzyeye01]

@ Fat Necron: The thing to remember about the Eighteen World Crusades was that it was decided, by everyone in the project at the time mind, at the close/very start of their formation that they would fall, just like with how the Angels Exultant would fall to Chaos. Thd major point being though that everyone agreed on the matter. So, if there is to be a group dying then how it happens is up to the project as a whole. It's also why the Cluster is wanting new chapters/groups that are made for the Cluster instead of one idea you've had for a while.

[Ace Debonair]

We have oodles of Space Marines Chapters looking for their own chaff to completely obliterate to make themselves look ever more heroic; I'm not on board with that.

Don't fret so, brother.

None of these factions are going to die quietly, if at all.

 

 

 

Yes, the Sereiki Lions were overwhelmed by numbers, and so ultimately were defeated.

 

But this time there's going to be as many heretics and renegades as there are loyalists. Maybe more, in fact.

 

Victory or defeat, it's all going to play out by degrees.

Nothing is absolute, nothing is certain.

[Fat Necron]

Ehh... Maybe I'm being too paranoid, I wouldn't rule it out. At the local game store everyone, except me, there's only one Eldar player and one Necron player. Everyone else uses Space Marines, Imperial Guard, and Mechanicus. From the twenty-odd people every Tuesday and Thursday, me and the other two get a good bit of metaphorical crap thrown at us. 

Gah! It's wrong to assume the same biases there extend to here. Sorry about that previous post.

[Conn Eremon]

The Liber Cluster's original thread began with the principle that the Cluster was under Imperial control. The Eighteen Worlds Crusade was the manner in which we showed how an already established conclusion came to be.

 

There is no such pre-established conclusion for the Liber Cluster II. I'm setting up a three-way clash, but the endgame is anybody's guess. The Imperium, bloodied and battered, may somehow cling onto its holdings against all assailants, desperately ensuring its continued existence for at least a few more centuries. The forces of Chaos, in a mad assemblage of fevered villainy and patient vengeance, may break the Cluster's spine and dash its future against a wall of hate, whether in the name of the Warmaster or at the word of various disparate warlords. The Imperium might find itself cast from the Cluster, an independent power solidifying its claim upon its most distant holding, a sudden, powerful rival rising over the Imperium like a malignant moon.

 

Literally any of these conclusions would be fine with me, though of course there is also a likely case for there being more of a mixed conclusion, whether of two or all three. Humanity is the dominant interest among the fandom, and so was the dominant focus for the opening of this thread, but there may even be a surprise xenos option that steals the show.

 

It all comes down to how the group writes it, piece by piece. While the biases you speak of are prevalent in the fandom as a whole, you'll find that there are many of us that stuck around from the old thread that are far more interested in an idea being written well, rather than who wins or loses. 

 

If I have any bias, I'll admit it'll be for the renegades. Simply because we've seen the Imperium won, and we've seen Chaos win, but we've never really gotten a look at what a human faction beyond the Imperium or Chaos would really look like. We've got hints that are just so very tantalizing, like the Nova Terra Interregnum. I'd really like to explore that, but I'm also perfectly content with that exploration winding up a doomed endeavor.

[Ace Debonair]

OK, so who wants some more worlds for the Cluster?
Only I've got another twenty-odd here that I've been working on.

Hope you all like walls of text, 'cause this is a doozy - hopefully an entertaining one though.

 

Here we go!

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*-= Subsector Liber Regnum =-*

--Primtox--

A world that was once the site of a colossal, ancient terraforming machine, now half-buried under a collapsed mountain. The sole habitable city on the planet is built around the remnants of this titanic machine. Parts of the machine still seem to function; others still appear haunted, or corrupted.

Primtox suffers from extremely violent, but remarkably regular and therefore predictable storms, which can at times be fierce enough to scar the surface of the planet. Only the shielding technology built into the little-understood terraforming device diminishes the ferocity of the storms; to step outside the city during such tempests is to risk death.

--Rysuda--

A garden world, governed by strictly observed rituals of worship to The Emperor and Omnissiah. Even trade or meeting with outsiders is conducted oinly at certain times, through rituals and prayers, rich with tradition and history.

Rysuda is home to some of the wealthiest and most influential people in the sub-sector, and yet is very lightly defended, relying primarily on the rather more militarized worlds around it for protection.

--Berimond--

A shrine world in the grip of frequent volcanic activity, worshippers and pilgrims attribute the world of Berimond's frequent and perilous eruptions to the Emperor's rage against all enemies of Humanity. Berimond has twice previously been the target of Penumbra agents. Both times, the plans of those agents have been foiled by the actions of the Inquisition, alongside kill-teams taken from Chapters across the Liber Cluster.

The Black Judges once, famously, said of Berimond that the populace was 'adequate' in it's devotion to The Emperor, which, according to legend, is the highest praise ever awarded by the Chapter.



*-= Subsector Centralis =-*


--Saninbor--

Saninbor is a world in the grip of an ice age. Under the thick sheets of ice covering the planet, the rocks are filled with rare and useful minerals, and the oceans teem with exotic sea-life. The imperial outposts there are in their infancy, struggling to survive the thoroughly hostile environment. Current hopes are that Saninbor will serve as a useful source of resources and food for the local Mechanicus presence, as well as several other nearby worlds.

--Sarff--

A world controlled by the Saneslau Mechanicus, Sarff is a world largely given over to the manufacture of weapons. It's primary defences are situated on the world's moon, Irfing, which contains a large military base and a facility for the creation of combat servitors.

Most of Sarff's food and raw material now comes from Saninbor, making this hardy and resilient world's survival reliant on its less well-protected neighbour.

--Yulant--

An agri-world whose primary exports are rice, rice-wine and livestock. Yulantine cuisine is popular across the Subsector and is sought-after by discerning and wealthy citizens all over the Cluster.

Yulant does, however, have a problem with criminal gangs. It is rumoured that the worst of these gangs are linked to subversive factions, such as Penumbra or the equally mysterious criminal group called Scarlight.



*-=Antipatris Subsector=-*


--Ferrox--

A high-temperature hive world, with seas of churning, toxic water. Huge, metal, artificial sun-shades cover the hive cities, keeping both the heat and the radiation of the nearby star from scourging Ferrox free of life. Much of the lower hive cities are given over to enormous water refineries, a sprawling network of ancient pipes and stations that is in constant need of repair.

Ferrox is often the target of raids by what is suspected to be Dark Eldar pirates - they are known to strike at the infrequent caravans that travel from hive to hive.

--Vahnsgrel--

Vahnsgrel has undergone three previous attempts to claim the world for humanity, each attempt building upon the ruined cities that have gone before it. Each time, the colonies have vanished without trace. These disappearances always co-incide with the arrival of major conflicts. The last disappearance was during the Eighteen Worlds Crusade, when the entire planet went dark.

The pioneers this time are, nevertheless, optimistic that they will finally settle Vahnsgrel in the Emperor's name, regardless of whatever has caused the previous occupants to disappear.

--Ganalta--

A flourishing jungle world dotted with highly industrial hive cities. Ganalta is famed for it's sprawling, multi-level refineries, from which the Imperial war machine draws the finest metals for use in its vehicles, weapons and armour.

Ganalta during monsoon season sees periodic floods of the lowlands. On rare occasions this flooding can even cause breaches or other damage to the hive cities. The reinforcement and repair of the city walls is a project that all citizens of Ganalta are required to contribute to, and for some is the only opportunity to see the world outside of the hives.



*-=Subsector Sindhi=-*

--Lhartan--

A world of deserts and oceans, burning sands and wild seas. Six continents make up the world of Lhartan, and only on the coastlines of these continents are settlements built. Water found inland is scarce and very seldom found to be safe - either guarded by the myriad ferocious, thirsty monsters of the desert or containing deadly poisons secreted by local plantlife. The people of Lhartan are a hardy bunch, and the world has produced it's share of great soldiers in the regiments of the Imperial Guard.

Prior to the coming of the indomnitus crusade, Lhartan was considered as a potential recruitment world for Space Marine Chapters - it is as yet unknown if any of the newly-surfacing forces in the Liber Cluster will lay claim to it.

--Olinx--

A thriving early-industrial hive world, with a booming clothing industry that supplies worlds all over the Liber Cluster with garments, Olinx is a world of disparate climates and serves a hub for both trade and information in the local area.

Politics and intrigue make up as much of the nature of Olinx as the backbreaking labour and downtrodden masses in the factorums - money and power ebb and flow there like the tides of the sea, making it a likely target for renegades to gain influence and knowledge.

--Marg's World--

History doesn't record who, exactly, the planet called Marg's World is named for. What any Imperial records will tell you, however, is that the world is little more than a barren wasteland. Dry, parched lands, littered with jagged rocks and an atmosphere that is barely breathable.

In spite of that, Eldar sightings in the area are reported with curious frequency, and the All-Seers Chapter of Space Marines have been known to send patrols to Marg's World, ostensibly for training.

What secrets this desolate, seemingly inconsequential world holds can only be guessed at, which does not stop the occasional party of would-be explorers and treasure hunters from launching expeditions there. So far, predictably, none have ever returned.

--Koropo--

Considered the home of the Administratum within the Subsector, Koropo is home to a staggering number of archives and records, keeping track of the histories and legacies of thousands upon thousands of worlds, both within the Liber Cluster and the greater Imperium.

Though in theory Koropo has little wealth or power, being considered the seat of the Administratum - able to effectively control the recorded history of the Liber Cluster - gives this world and its inhabitants considerable influence.

Of course, this power also makes Koropo a prime target for subversive activity.



*-=Subsector Arrenthal=-*

--Kordila--

Formerly a small but productive forgeworld that once belonged to the Saneslau Mechanicus, Kordila was covertly abandoned after an incident with some hereteks that escalated quickly into a full-on civil war.

The Kordila Mechanicus, as the hereteks called themselves, held the forgeworld for almost forty years before the Saneslau Mechanicus launched a reclamation force that cleared the world out.

However, by this time the forgeworld itself had become corrupted, its' twin moons strip-mined of all resources and the majority of the hereteks there had fled. Condemning the world to ruin and devastation was a painful choice for the Saneslau Mechanicus, but it was, in their eyes a very necessary one.

For now, Kordila remains a ruin, devoid of any and all traces of life, but with the recent rise in the number of heretics and renegades in the Liber Cluster, the Imperial war machine watches Kordila with a wary eye.

--Oslev's Hold--

Formerly a lawless, technologically advanced world that thrived on piracy and war, the Imperium's reclamation tamed Oslev's Hold, turning the bloodthirsty and savage denizens of this world into formidable regiments, a dagger to be held against the throat of mankind's enemies. The reclaimed world is still harsh, and only the strong thrive in Oslev's Hold, but the world is now one of the most stalwart, fortified military holdouts in the Subsector.

Oslevin Regiments have a reputation for ferocity, courage and a complete disregard for minor things like 'collateral damage', or 'civilian casualties'. Their soldiers are typically highly adept at sieges, counter-sieges, and urban combat, but are known to rely very heavily on their tanks when engaging on open battlefields.

--Cascade--

An agri-world that is famed for its water. Dozens of huge refineries filter and distil the water of Cascade's seas for use and consumption on other worlds. Two large machines on the planet's poles synthesize fresh water through little-understood processes, pouring the resultant contents directly into Cascade's seas. These machines are maintaine by a crew of Servitors and other Mechanicus thralls, under the fierce protection of hereditary Cascade-born guards.

Cascade was, infamously, attacked by the Orks not long after the conclusion of the Eighteen Worlds Crusade. The Black Falcons spearheaded the defence of the world, and to this day the term "Falconborn" means something akin to "blessed with luck" on Cascade.



*-=Subsector Englica=-*

--RD909--

Known better by designation than it's official name of 'Damned-are-Ye-who-Turneth-From-The-Emperor', RD909 is a shrine world that hosts some of the finest architecture in the entire Englica Subsector. A partially completed terraforming project means that the largest of these temples, the Cathedral of Flames, has it's own self-contained river, flowing with thrice-blessed red water. The waters of this river are said to have magnificent healing properties for the truly faithful, although there are very few cases to support such claims.

The population there are fanatically zealous and entirely devoted to the worship of The Emperor. It has been known for conflicts, riots, and even large-scale wars to erupt on RD909 over even minor differences of interpretation of Imperial Dogma.

--The Winterwind--

A reclaimed Space Hulk, made habitable only by centuries upon centuries of toil and hard work, The Winterwind acts as a nexus for merchants, travellers, pilgrims and soldiers of all stripes journeying across Subsector Englica. A vessel large enough to comfortably contain billions of people, there are large sections of this ancient ship still either sealed or too damaged to properly explore.

The Winterwind has its' own regiment, the Winterwind Retaliators. Armed with the finest weapons and armour the Saneslau Mechanicus could supply, the Retaliators seldom enter into battle away from the Winterwind, but always perform spectacularly when they do.

--Galdine--

A prison world, and one of the first rebellious worlds brought into compliance by the Eagles of Glory. In the wake of the reclaimation, the Eagles turned the role of planetary governor was turned over to a gathering of specially-chosen citizens from Libertas, who formed a senate of sorts to rule the planet. Under their influence, Galdine's culture evolved to ape that of Libertas, albeit teaching that the one liberty still available even to prisoners was the right to live and die for The Emperor.

Galdine provides recruits for regiments and navies across the Subsector, although the mysterious anti-Imperial criminal group known as 'Scarlight' also appear to have a significant number of followers amongst the population.



*-=Subsector Colvin=-*

--Ithradi--

A small, uninhabited, unremarkable world save for one distinct feature: the centre of Ithradi's largest landmass contains what appears to be a hollowed-out and badly damaged section of an ancient Eldar Craftworld, partially buried under hundreds of years of plant growth and subsidence.

Currently the world is under quarantine, and travel to or from Ithradi is expressly forbidden without the proper authorisation.

It is currently unknown if the Eldar are aware of the ruin's presence on Ithradi, although either way they have made no move towards the planet as of yet.

--Maliu--

A gas giant with a single orbiting moon, the most notable feature of Maliu is the encircling sphere of long-destroyed ships that surrounds it. It's moon, Niket, lacks any serious defences, instead being mostly populated by workers who extract and refined gases from Maliu. It is still unknown how - or why - this sphere of dead ships has come to surround Maliu, but theories abound, each more wild than the last.

When talking of Maliu, one other curious event must be mentioned - two hundred years after the end of the Eighteen Worlds Crusade, sensors detected what appeared to be a signal of some kind emanating briefly from somewhere deep within Maliu.

The signal appears to just be ambient noise from the planet's surface, and Imperial analysts are still not sure what this signal was intended to convey. More mysterious still is not only where the message came from, but for whom it was intended.

--Halberyon--

Considered a death world due to the dearth of deadly terrain and agressive wildlife of all sizes that populates this otherwise idyllic world. The people of Halberyon are nonetheless curiously flippant about death and survival, and are remarkably cheerful in the face of a world that seems determined to kill them. Be it from the unbearable heat of the sun, the threat of giant, carnivorous lizards, or flocks of flesh-eating wasps, the citizens of Halberyon are no strangers to the risk of death.

The Aetheric Swords once fought a battle against Penumbra-aligned soldiers on Halberyon's moon, Ixian, and the Chapter's broadcast of the hymn "The Emperor's Virtue" effected com-channels all over Halberyon. To this day the song is considered a great and holy gift from The Emperor himself, and is performed by choirs on feast days.

It is currently suspected that the nefarious and cruel pirate crew calling themselves the "Star Rippers" make their home somewhere on Halberyon, or maybe even on the orbitting moon of Ixian.

[WG101]

@WG101 - Golem is actually a Jewish word.

thanks for the clarification

[WG101]

@WG101

 

Serfs tend to be treated well, Chapter depending, but are also almost universally a hereditary position. Enslavement in the sense that there is no volunteering. You're a serf because your parents were serfs, but on the bright side you probably have one of the better lives available to humanity in the 41st Millennium. 

 

Replacing them with vat-grown servitors or volunteer serfdom does work, and it'd be interesting to see what system they create to foster that environment. Do they have an open presence with their home world or fleet, making recruitment into the Chapter or service as a serf something of a job recruitment drive with a 40k twist? Or, is it still hereditary in the normal sense, with the progeny simply being given the choice between leaving the Chapter's service or swearing their life to it?

 

As an aside, I see you've created an outline with a few categories waiting to be edited in. My recommendation: remove them entirely. It's the same pitfall I warned GDF about, this is not an article but an introduction. Consider the examples that were given to show what was expected.

I'll probably need help with the serf suggestion and you do have great ideas based off my own and I'll be busy editing based off the second part of your advice

Thanks For the Help 

[Kelborn]

The Space Wolves' Kaerls are Fenrisians, who were chosen as chapter serfs / part of a long ancestry of willing serfs / crewman, pdf, etc.

 

I prefer this was for most of my own chapters.

The Argent Claws' serfs, for example, are entirely not Askar born. Still, they share a common sense of brotherhood / respect for each other as they are going through literally hell together while fighting the numerous foes of the Imperium.

[Teetengee]

On the topic of eventual victory and other threats. It would be good to remember that the liber cluster is south of the galactic plane, and therefore directly in the line of the main tyranid assault force. I expect that strange alliances will be formed to beat off the insectile assault, even from those who might otherwise consider each other sworn enemies.

Also, I always liked the idea that the tyranids might be running from, and not just to. Playing with that, and the fact that c'tans in other galaxies may have had a hand in nid development (completely independent of necrons though) could both be interesting fodder for xenos assaults.

[Olis]

@Olis

 

To be honest, I kinda like the sound of Flamesworn over Sons of the Forge, though I understand your logic. Basically, they may call themselves Salamander successors, but the primaris returning, and being rejected, feel themselves truer sons than they. We are the Sons of the Forge, not you.

 

That said, you said the words "true sons of Vulkan," and now I can't stop thinking of that as a name; the True Sons. And that brings me kinda to the idea I had, which is that the Conflagrators are probably not going to be the only Chapter that rejects the primaris, either the means of production or those already created and newly assigned. Or both, in the Conflagrators' case. While I certainly see the Blades accepting the means of production, would they accept outsiders into their Chapter? Those not inducted into their secrets and mysteries? There's the Angels Exultant, come to the Cluster to find that there is no Chapter for them to be a part of. What about the Doomsayers, who were believed to be gone but then returned three thousand years back in an overwhelmingly confrontational way? Do they even still exist, or did the conflict they sparked spell their own end? I'm not sure we ever concluded that scenario, to be honest.

 

But the point is, there might be a host of primaris without Chapters to accept them. In the case of the Angels Exultant, maybe there's enough to recreate the Chapter instead. But those rejected by the Conflagrators or the Blades of the Lion? Perhaps Doomsayer reinforcements found no Chapter but choose not to recreate it. Or any other Chapter that might similarly reject their primaris, like the Lords Inviolate themselves.

 

Because if the Lords Inviolate see an orphaned host of primaris, bereft of anchor or succor, perhaps they'd look at their own reinforcements and consider an alternative use for them. Rather than inducting them into the Chapter, they could be the iron core of an independent, officially declared war host of all orphaned primaris and granted the shared name of the True Sons. Pretty much a re-imagining of the Unnumbered Sons, I realize now, but of course the Lords Inviolate would think along similar lines to their distant father. The Lords Inviolate would 'sacrifice' their own reinforcements (but not their means of production) in order to grant the True Sons enough manpower to be an effective force.

 

The Sons of the Forge could be an autonomous company (or companies) within the True Sons war host. Those reassigned Lords Inviolate would be the Sons of the Avenger? Liberator?

 

The True Sons would be a fleet-based crusader force, utilizing repurposed / extended / newly built sections of the immense Conclave structure as their permanent base of operations.

 

Sound like a cool idea?

 

Sounds like something with legs brother - I can see this idea being useful for the project at large. Something new and unique, yet with enough flexibility that several authors can use them and expand them.

 

Olis: Despite the sheer ignorance a lot of Space Marines have, I do think it's overly exaggerated a bit too often. Your Chapter could outright reject them, I'm not saying they can't but I do think there might be a bit more to it.

 

I think you're on the right track on what might happen to them. Whether your fire spewers like it or not, they've been appointed to their Chapter by the High Lords of Terra and Rawbutt Girlyman himself. If I'm reading you correctly, them forming their own, separate entity outside the Chapter is a neat concept. There's going to be a lot of tension with the new guys and their parent Chapter, which will make for some interesting stories. They're essentially forced to wear the colors and heraldry of a Chapter who hates them, would spit on them and leave them to rot... My god that's torturous. 

You could go into a multitude of directions regarding this angle. Personally just typing this is probably the first time (I'm not kidding) I've felt any real interest for the Primaris Space Marines. To endure such contempt and be expected to do so in silence is Mmmm! delicious writing material. Hell, I'll even throw my hat into the ring and do my own rendition of it, later down the line.

 

As to what you call them, I honestly think you should keep them as The Conflagrators to further hammer the point home. Whether they like it or not, that's their Chapter. Albeit a hated one, they are products of the same Gene-Seed and raised in a similar manner to that Chapters ways and customs. 

 

I think there should be a multitude of these occurrences happening; three or four, at most. Anyway, these situations of segregation is where Chapter x Chapter come into conflict. Some Primaris can't take deal with it while others, more docile ones, accept this reality and continue murdering in the Emperor's name.

 

Take that all with a grain of salt, mind you. I'm just pitching a bunch of random idea's for idea's sake!

 

I like the idea that they might call themselves, at least when in audience of the older Chapter, The Conflagrators. We are the True Conflagrators, the 'True Sons', the ones forged in fire and steel - the 'Sons of the Forge' (in regard to Conn's idea). Of course, with the oft belligerent nature of the actual Conflagrators this would likely lead to incidents. ^_^

[Ace Debonair]

Hmm.
I'm starting to think the Aetheric Swords might be the only Chapter to actually accept their Primaris reinforcements, at this rate.
 
And even then that's mostly because of one particular bit of bias on my part.
(Reivers' sonic masks + Undying Choir = 40k equivalent of FUS RO DAH)

 

What about the Doomsayers, who were believed to be gone but then returned three thousand years back in an overwhelmingly confrontational way? Do they even still exist, or did the conflict they sparked spell their own end? I'm not sure we ever concluded that scenario, to be honest.

 

We didn't, though I forget what distracted us.

For what it's worth, I had my plans for how parts of the event would play out.

 

 

Specifically, the Aetheric Swords would have been furious at the Doomsayers' intrusion onto their ships, much like the Blackjaw Kindred were.

But the Kindred's reaction - and the other Chapters' reactions to the Kindred going rogue - would have stalled the Swords' tempers long enough for good sense to prevail.
 

That said, I always did very much intend for the Aetheric Swords to reach out to the Blackjaw Kindred, hoping to convince the Kindred to return and promising to do everything they could to deflect the wrath of the other Chapters.

Obviously the meeting wasn't going to work out, but I really wanted to make the point that the Swords place a real value on their brother Chapters, even the ones they don't necessarily get along well with. It ties in rather neatly with their grief when the original Angels Exultant fall, because the Swords still see them as their brothers-in-arms, not the monsters they became.

The actual meeting between the Blackjaws and the Swords was going to very much be a cautious, clandestine thing, the overall result of which would be, ideally, that both Chapters would probably avoid combat with each other as much as they could unless there was no other option.

 

 

I daresay some of the other Chapters would eventually notice the Aetheric Swords' subsequent hesitance to engage the Blackjaws, and probably wouldn't approve.

 

 

Which, in turn, plants the seeds for why nobody volunteered to help defend Grennarch when the Black Legion came calling. (Although I now think we should scrap the Black Legion and have some of our Chaos guys raze the place instead, just saying... )

 

 

And this all gives me room for one hell of a 'what the  was that' speech by the Swords' representative at the Liber Conclave, when he thinks he's pulled a Brother Ashwin and become the last living Aetheric Sword.

 

 

So yeah, we never finished that thing with the Doomsayers and the Blackjaws, but I definitely had plans to revisit it.

[Brother Lunkhead]

 

@WG101 - Golem is actually a Jewish word.

thanks for the clarification

 

 

@WG101: Greetings Brother. I rather like your chapter name. 'Golems Fist'. To be precise, 'golem' is a Hebrew word meaning unfinished or "raw" material and appears only once in the Bible, Psalm 139: 16 translated as "my substance" in the KJV. It refers in this instance as being as yet unperfected in the eyes of God. Although the word today in modern Hebrew is used to mean dumb or slow, the golem in Jewish culture has a rich history and was often a powerful symbol. I encourage you to check out the 'Golem' article in Wikipedia. It is very concise, and I think you will find it quite useful.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Brother Lunkhead

[Kelborn]

Weren't Golems made to serve, as well?

Somewhat of mindless servants. I remember some depictions about writing an order on a piece of paper and giving it the Golem as an instruction.

 

This could be interesting, as well. Always doing what they've been ordered by higher authorities without questioning. But one day, a brother starts to question and the chapter itself has to decide, where to go with it.

[WG101]

 

 

@WG101 - Golem is actually a Jewish word.

thanks for the clarification

 

 

@WG101: Greetings Brother. I rather like your chapter name. 'Golems Fist'. To be precise, 'golem' is a Hebrew word meaning unfinished or "raw" material and appears only once in the Bible, Psalm 139: 16 translated as "my substance" in the KJV. It refers in this instance as being as yet unperfected in the eyes of God. Although the word today in modern Hebrew is used to mean dumb or slow, the golem in Jewish culture has a rich history and was often a powerful symbol. I encourage you to check out the 'Golem' article in Wikipedia. It is very concise, and I think you will find it quite useful.

 

oh thanks, the article was actually quite interesting I like it I'll hopefully be using it to create a plot device to advance the chapter's storyline within the cluster

[Brother Lunkhead]

Weren't Golems made to serve, as well?

Somewhat of mindless servants. I remember some depictions about writing an order on a piece of paper and giving it the Golem as an instruction.

 

This could be interesting, as well. Always doing what they've been ordered by higher authorities without questioning. But one day, a brother starts to question and the chapter itself has to decide, where to go with it.

 

Definitely many possibilities...... In medieval Jewish lore golems were often used as protectors of communities. They were very powerful (almost indestructible).... sort of the WoMD of it's day.

[Fat Necron]

Hey everyone, I've been a tied up with things in real life (Went from 30hr to 60hr work week) and don't have much time to reply. I'm currently reading the score of battles written for the Eighteen World Crusade (Printed them off) and, attempting, to write my own little non-sense for the Liber... Also, trying to finish painting my Singala Traitor Marines/Cultists.

I need about three or four days before I'll be back in full swing. 

Sorry for the sudden hiatus!

Edited March 29, 2018 by Fat Necron

[Teetengee]

-snip-

Obviously the meeting wasn't going to work out, but I really wanted to make the point that the Swords place a real value on their brother Chapters, even the ones they don't necessarily get along well with. It ties in rather neatly with their grief when the original Angels Exultant fall, because the Swords still see them as their brothers-in-arms, not the monsters they became.

-snip-

I always liked the idea of a few Angels Exultant surviving, or even turning back due to the influence of the choir, and then basically integrating into the Swords as an auxiliary. I imagine few would still be alive by the time of the primaris, and their own shame, if nothing else, would keep them from propagating, but a couple might still be around, depending on warp shenanigans and other factors. At the least, their armor and history might be stored somewhere among the Swords's archives, and thereby lead to an interesting meeting with the new Angels Exultant, once they make liberfall.

[Fat Necron]

Damn this painting miniature thing is difficult. I've been reading more and more about the Sereiki Lions and I'm wondering if I should strip my Traitor Marines and give them the Sereiki scheme. Hehe

Anyway, my previous post about biases was simply paranoia and fear it'd be all about the Space Marines. I know they're the main attraction but there's a minority of us who are Eh when loyal Space Marine are concerned. Honestly, my book shelf dedicated to Warhammer 40K is mainly Xeno's and Traitor books. The only Space Marines books are the Horus Heresy.

Besides that, you did get me thinking about the Renegade's and Xeno's. I've been taking a lot of inspiration from the Dark Heresy books and Sereiki Lions in a vein attempt to do something similar. Consider my own mutant hordes, the Corsairs mucking about and the other myriad threat the Cluster might become a bounty of loot. It'd be a neat to see tiny empires carved out from the carcass of the Liber Cluster if the forces of Chaos and the Imperium systematically decimate each other. 

Renegade Empires, Genestealer Worlds, Necron Throneworlds... Now there's a grimdark situation.

I'm between things right now but I initially popped in to ask a few questions. I've been writing about a few Chaosy stories, plotting out Warzones and all that nitty gritty stuff but I forgot something rather important; the extent of freedom when writing.

 

What I've got so far is basically an overview of the worlds who've encounter Convergence Zones/Rifts. A large city on one world is being consumed by this Convergence and it details the Sranav Partisans regiments rather gruesome war against the Singala Cadre. 

I've been treating the Sranav Partisans as a not-so pious bunch. They're certainly tough but put more faith in genuine tactics and boots on the ground. This sudden mess is seen as an opportunity to clear their name, show their allegiance and it leads them into some interesting situations.

It feels fair to treat them as described but as I write more I figured I'd pop in and ask before continuing.

Another warzone involving the mutants of Singala has two dozen regiments from The Velmgharter Soldiers and Liniamite Volunteers supported by a force of one-hundred Adaptus Sororitas from the Order of the Vengeful Flames.

This war takes place within a mining world, kilometers beneath the surface. A Convergence Zone/Rift has been steadily expanding in the subterranian depths for months and only recently discovered. The Regiments from Velmgharter and Liniamite are tasked with containing this breach through man-power alone. However, neither regimental commands can coordinate properly as their doctrines of war differ immensely. Dirty politics and bitter resentment are causing the body count to escalate to dangerous levels.

Again, half-way done finishing this particular mess and need confirmation if it's accurate to the regiments Velmgharter and Liniamite. I was thinking the Sisters eventually take overall command later on.

Why I don't mention Astarte's Chapters is because this whole Convergence fiasco is relatively recent. After reading Brothers of the Snake, it's fair to say assembling a proper response from the nearest chapter (Heralds of Letum) might take a bit of time. Took months for one Battle Brother to support a planet plagued by Dark Eldar. So what I'm currently writing are the events proceeding the intervention of the Astarte's by tipping my hat to the Liber Clusters guardsmen.

I've got idea's for other conflicts between the Singala Cadre and mutants besties pitting them against the Red Offering, The Anguishers and Orks.

Thanks in advance for future thoughts and criticisms regarding my potential idea's. 

I'll probably be a few days before replying. It took me a few days in between things to write up this post. Hehe

[Ace Debonair]

I always liked the idea of a few Angels Exultant surviving, or even turning back due to the influence of the choir, and then basically integrating into the Swords as an auxiliary. I imagine few would still be alive by the time of the primaris, and their own shame, if nothing else, would keep them from propagating, but a couple might still be around, depending on warp shenanigans and other factors. At the least, their armor and history might be stored somewhere among the Swords's archives, and thereby lead to an interesting meeting with the new Angels Exultant, once they make liberfall.

By the Throne, yes.

 

I imagine the Aetheric Swords would readily admit to having a collection of pre-fall relics belonging to the Angels, carefully sanctified and well-looked after, to honour those who fell in service to the Emperor.

 

I'd also be quite sure that they would, at most, part with one of those relics as a token of good faith, telling the New Angels "You'll have to earn the rest".

 

 

On another note, just a general reminder to anyone reading (who hasn't already submitted one) there's still a whole bunch of extra slots open for new Chapters, Renegades and Warbands - bring us your concepts and wacky ideas, and together in the Liber Cluster we will turn them into legends!

[Mileposter]

On another note, just a general reminder to anyone reading (who hasn't already submitted one) there's still a whole bunch of extra slots open for new Chapters, Renegades and Warbands - bring us your concepts and wacky ideas, and together in the Liber Cluster we will turn them into legends!

Piping up to indicate my interest, but waiting until the Cluster does something other than Space Marines.

[Conn Eremon]

Piping up to indicate my interest, but waiting until the Cluster does something other than Space Marines.

The Liber Cluster is everything 40k. What would you like to work on?

[Mileposter]

 

Piping up to indicate my interest, but waiting until the Cluster does something other than Space Marines.

The Liber Cluster is everything 40k. What would you like to work on?

 

Forgive me if I sounded discontent - that was not my intention. I simply figured based on the layout of the 'first assignment' you hadn't gotten there yet! But with the call for interest I couldn't be a silent type.

 

I love the creative energy and collaborative nature of these sorts of projects, and I like to believe I am a font of ideas and inspiration... I'm simply burnt out on Space Marines. Given the choice? I'd start with a Knight World since I don't have a place for the one in my head yet, but the ideas I have... Eldar Exodites, a Daemon Host, Redeemed Militarum Tempestus, or an orphaned Enclave of the Adeptus Ministorum.

[Conn Eremon]

All of those ideas are perfectly acceptable ideas to explore, and we'd love to see you take a crack at them.

 

This assignment being focused upon Space Marines is in part because of their greater popularity and in part because there needs to be a restriction on how many there can be.

 

However, work can be done on any other DIY expansion at any time.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Conn Eremon

[Teetengee]

At any time!?!

Perfect. I think it's time for some xenos.

[Ace Debonair]

However, work can be done on any other DIY expansion at any time.

Oh boy, then I'm going to have some fun with the Dark Mechanicus sooner than expected.

 

I'm thinking a high-ranking Dark Magos based loosely on Sauron from Lord of the Rings, a being known to appear fair and be generous with the gifts of his forge... but also a power-mongering corrupter of souls who desires absolute dominion.