keeblerartillery Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Fraters! Diagram dude and I had a rematch yesterday, and man did I learn a lot. He brought essentially the LVO list that came in 4th - and it is one tough nut to crack. We got in two games, which we split. I conceded the first game after my first turn (and I went first). The writing was already on the walls - those standards + primaris + a HUGE brick of death company...man oh man. The second game I won - narrowly - and only because Meph was dead set on killing himself. He perils'd - which forced a CP re-roll, then overcharged and rolled a 1 on his pistol - which forced a re-roll, which resulted in another one. Long story short - I have GOT to learn tactical patience with the BA. I run right out of reserves and put everything into the fight as soon as possible...and that just isn't a winning strategy. So to counter that, I thought I would re-do my list to help mitigate my own weaknesses as a commander. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on the synergies (or not) of the list and beg for your collective wisdom. Thanks! Total CP - 7 Battalion - 3 CP HQ Captain w/ JP (Angel's Wings), Thunderhammer, SS Captain w/ JP, storm bolter, power sword Troops Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux grenade Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux grenade Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux grenade Fast Attack Plasma Inceptors x 3 Heavy Support Hellblaster x 8 Flyers Fire Raptor w/ lascannons Vanguard Detachment - 1 CP HQ Sanguinary Priest w/ JP, storm bolter Elites Relic Sicaran w/ Lascannons Sanguinary Guard x 8, 2x PF Sanguinary Ancient, PF Company Ancient, power sword It comes in at 1998 - I am trying to benefit from our standard synergies, my fire raptor as chaff clearance (instead of death company) and use my hellblasters and intercessors as a mobile, hard to shift firebase. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345174-frater-throwdown-redux/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I think if you're wanting to go back to the Hellblaster fire base then you should drop the stormbolter buff captain and bring in the Deredeo with pavise. You can use Wisdom of the Ancients for 1 CP to gain reroll ones aura in the shooting phase, which is all you are bringing the captain for anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345174-frater-throwdown-redux/#findComment-5030522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeblerartillery Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Batting around a couple of lists after me and Diagram's last two games - would love everyone's thoughts! First list - Battalion - 3 CP HQ Captain w/ JP (Angel's Wings), Thunderhammer, SS Sanguinor Troops Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux Fast Attack Plasma Inceptors x 3 Flyers Fire Raptor w/ lascannons Vanguard Detachment - 1 CP HQ Sanguinary Priest w/ JP, storm bolter Elites Relic Sicaran w/ Lascannons Sanguinary Guard x 8 Deredeo w/ Anvilus Vanguard Vets x 6, 3x SS, 2x TH Second list - Battalion - 3 CP HQ Captain w/ JP (Angel's Wings), Thunderhammer, SS Captain w/ JP, storm bolter, power sword Troops Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux grenade Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux grenade Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux grenade Fast Attack Plasma Inceptors x 3 Heavy Support Hellblaster x 8 Flyers Fire Raptor w/ lascannons Vanguard Detachment - 1 CP HQ Sanguinary Priest w/ JP, storm bolter Elites Relic Sicaran w/ Lascannons Sanguinary Guard x 8, 2x PF Sanguinary Ancient, PF Company Ancient, power sword Final List - Battalion - 3 CP HQ Captain w/ JP (Angel's Wings), Thunderhammer, SS Chaplain w/ JP Troops Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux Intercessors x 5, bolt rifle, chainsword, aux Flyers Fire Raptor w/ lascannons Vanguard Detachment - 1 CP HQ Sanguinary Priest w/ JP, power sword Elites Deredeo w/ Anvilus, Atomantic Death Company x 9, JP Company Ancient, power sword Outrider Detachment - 1 CP HQ Captain Heavy Support Hellblaster x 5 Hellblaster x 5 Hellblaster x 5 Edited March 18, 2018 by keeblerartillery Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345174-frater-throwdown-redux/#findComment-5034983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeblerartillery Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Basically I have been rereading Morts observations and reviewing the LVO and other tournament feedback and am trying to figure out how to maximize our horde clearing and big monster killing capabilities Edited March 19, 2018 by keeblerartillery Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345174-frater-throwdown-redux/#findComment-5035003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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