Kasper_Hawser Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Can Guilliman actually take his armour off though? I thought in Gathering Storm, Cawl or Yvraine mentioned to constantly wear it to stay alive. Also sourcing from Ashes of Prospero is a big can of worms at the moment, so better take everything from that book with a mountain of salt. Still, I want Russ to be an army buffer in speed and assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah it was a quick retcon, but he can take off his armor for certain amount of time. He was walking around without it for awhile. Qeue Ishagu now to come explain Guilliman now.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Can Guilliman actually take his armour off though? I thought in Gathering Storm, Cawl or Yvraine mentioned to constantly wear it to stay alive. Also sourcing from Ashes of Prospero is a big can of worms at the moment, so better take everything from that book with a mountain of salt. Still, I want Russ to be an army buffer in speed and assault. Yes, yes he can. The Dark Imperium book has him walking around unarmored in simple robes. Kasper_Hawser 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Can Guilliman actually take his armour off though? I thought in Gathering Storm, Cawl or Yvraine mentioned to constantly wear it to stay alive. Also sourcing from Ashes of Prospero is a big can of worms at the moment, so better take everything from that book with a mountain of salt. Still, I want Russ to be an army buffer in speed and assault. Yes, yes he can. The Dark Imperium book has him walking around unarmored in simple robes. Cool. Would have been unnecessarily grimdark for Guilliman to be stuck in his armour like the Emperor is stuck on his toilet. Besides, the armour is a little goofy looking but probably just because of that pose. So yeah, I forgot that there is something called Armour of Russ that reduces initiative in the past. in 8th edition can be interpreted as either -1 to hit in Assault, or counts as cover save in open to help his 3+ armour, although he really should have 2+. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Think it was talked about in another post but the Armor of Russ probably isn't actually Russ's but one of his companions. Primarchs are simply too large for a SM to wear their armor. Even if modified, it's simply huge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallagoose Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) two forms; wolf and human look at the new AoS character for starters Human is slower 8' movement, and buffs up his army around him (re-roll hits, wounds, fearless) Wulfen form is bigger, more buffed up. Gains the wulfen rules (FNP, Advance and charge, attack after death), but loses buff ability. Maybe even loses ability to hide (more than 9 wounds) Take either or in a game, but not both. Human is more defensive and utilitarian with 300-350 pt range Wulfen is faster, deadlier, but lacks utility with 350-400 pt range For those saying russ comes back a psyker... no... just no... But i could also see him riding a wolf. I dont want to see it, but i think we can all imagine it... Edited March 19, 2018 by Skallagoose Kasper_Hawser 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 two forms; wolf and human look at the new AoS character for starters Human is slower 8' movement, and buffs up his army around him (re-roll hits, wounds, fearless) Wulfen form is bigger, more buffed up. Gains the wulfen rules (FNP, Advance and charge, attack after death), but loses buff ability. Maybe even loses ability to hide (more than 9 wounds) Take either or in a game, but not both. Human is more defensive and utilitarian with 300-350 pt range Wulfen is faster, deadlier, but lacks utility with 350-400 pt range For those saying russ comes back a psyker... no... just no... But i could also see him riding a wolf. I dont want to see it, but i think we can all imagine it... Oh dear Lord...... a Primarch riding a two headed wolf........ we're never going to live this down if it comes to be. This might finally tip me over and become a son of Dorn instead. (kinda my second favorite primarch/legion, either of Crimson Fist or Imperial Fist variety, not the absolute lunatics. :) ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) I know TWC or Wulfen Russ would tip me to go to a different chapter. I was looking at Deathwatch or Son of Sanguinius, BT/IF is also on the table. As for Russ as a Psyker, why not? We already know that Russ was a Psyker in fact all primarchs are. Russ was also suspected to be a very powerful psyker yet he ignored his powers. Edited March 19, 2018 by Jarl Caldersson Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 He did for a while try his hand at Divination during the Battle of Alaxxes. His predictions turned out pretty accurate. :P Seriously though, all the nasty powers of primarchs, even if not overtly psychic, can be considered psychic powers. After all, they are esentially warp stuff made stable and somehow given their own minds and wills. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Russ could come back in cartoon furry wolf costume with a wolf strapped to each arm and I wouldn't change armies. I just wouldnt buy him. Faithless turncoats... Godhead and Kasper_Hawser 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Russ could come back in cartoon furry wolf costume with a wolf strapped to each arm and I wouldn't change armies. I just wouldnt buy him. Faithless turncoats... :D I didn't play SW's to be a :cuss furry. I played them because they were advertised as space vikings. Having Russ come back as a Wulfen would seal the deal that SW are no longer space Vikings but furrys in GW eyes. Why play a army that is no longer what you joined for. It's like BAs going from space vampire and are the Victorian vampire persona, beautiful, smart, artists, beloved by all however they have a dark side, the black rage/red thirst. So people play because of this interesting dynamic minority of the BA are Death Company so it's not over bearing. However GW says Sangy comes back and now they are all just blood thirsty Berserkers, and ditches the whole Victorian vampire aspect. I don't have a problem with wolves, I love wolves and canines and the fact SW have them as pets is just awesome. Wulfen were our curse and looked down upon for failing to control the inner wolf. It was a extremely interesting aspect. However it was a minor aspect of SW's, but overtime it grew and grew and eventually took over. Now wolf is our main aspect and Space Vikings a distant other. If Russ returned as a viking hero saga, then I would be glad because it means we are still Vikings and not wolf mcwolf. I want SW to have a multi pillar persona and not a single one called wolf. So it is not I who betrayed the SW's, but GW for making us what we should never had been. Now I am writting this during illness with fever so hopefully I make sense and don't come off to agressive. Edited March 19, 2018 by Jarl Caldersson Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggtand Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I just hope we get a "normal" older Russ. Please GW, no more wolf things Kasper_Hawser 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Russ could come back in cartoon furry wolf costume with a wolf strapped to each arm and I wouldn't change armies. I just wouldnt buy him. Faithless turncoats... I didn't play SW's to be a furry. I played them because they were advertised as space vikings. Having Russ come back as a Wulfen would seal the deal that SW are no longer space Vikings but furrys in GW eyes. Why play a army that is no longer what you joined for. It's like BAs going from space vampire and are the Victorian vampire persona, beautiful, smart, artists, beloved by all however they have a dark side, the black rage/red thirst. So people play because of this interesting dynamic minority of the BA are Death Company so it's not over bearing. However GW says Sangy comes back and now they are all just blood thirsty Berserkers, and ditches the whole Victorian vampire aspect. I don't have a problem with wolves, I love wolves and canines and the fact SW have them as pets is just awesome. Wulfen were our curse and looked down upon for failing to control the inner wolf. It was a extremely interesting aspect. However it was a minor aspect of SW's, but overtime it grew and grew and eventually took over. Now wolf is our main aspect and Space Vikings a distant other. If Russ returned as a viking hero saga, then I would be glad because it means we are still Vikings and not wolf mcwolf. I want SW to have a multi pillar persona and not a single one called wolf. So it is not I who betrayed the SW's, but GW for making us what we should never had been. Now I am writting this during illness with fever so hopefully I make sense and don't come off to agressive. Not aggressive at all, I was only teasing. I agree with you 100%. I've just always taken the "My hobby, my army" aspect to heart. If they choose to quadruple down on the wolfyness, I'll have to work harder at the end of the day but their choices only affect me if I let them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Russ could come back in cartoon furry wolf costume with a wolf strapped to each arm and I wouldn't change armies. I just wouldnt buy him. Faithless turncoats... LOL, I knew you were teasing. And I'm glad that at least for some of us, fluff still matters, rather than just playing Space Wolves because we were strong and dominating meta at some point or another. I joined at the tail end of 5th edition, which some would call the age of Wardian codexes, and even with the Ward codexes, the Wolves were considered very strong thanks to Long Fang missile spam and of course the Grey Hunters. TWC was in but not as cheap as 6th edition. but i didn't choose space wolves because i wanted to spam missiles. I chose them because they were the closest things to noble bright heroes at the time, yet still flawed and forever aware of their failings. I still love the 5th dex by Phil Kelly, it still had flavour in it. So yeah, I would like Russ to NOT be a werewolf when he comes back. I want him to balance Guilliman in terms of war strategy and imperium policy. Let us all see what the Wolf King can do in administration and politics. He may surprise all of us, even himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5035875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang_Guard23 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I know people are thinking that Russ will comeback with a Wulfen form, but what if it's something else. some type of god form. or maybe it's not two forms but one is Russ while Freki and Geri were merged together into a physical embodiment of Morkai PeteySödes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5036201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I know people are thinking that Russ will comeback with a Wulfen form, but what if it's something else. some type of god form. or maybe it's not two forms but one is Russ while Freki and Geri were merged together into a physical embodiment of Morkai One can hope. I'm definitely pulling for Russ and co as a unit vs. Loyalist Deamon Primarch. Fang_Guard23 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5036204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Primarchs are all effectively materially stable daemons if we want to go into 40K metaphysics. Warp stuff from Molech taken/stolen by the Emperor then put into super human bodies and "programmed" with a part of the Emperor's psyche, if what I understand from Vengeful Spirit is anything to go by. I think to fight a daemon primarch as a loyalist primarch with stats similar to Guilliman, he'll need both the -1/-2 to hit armour AND a mortal wound save to survive either Mortarion's debuff/mortal wound aura, as well as Magnus titan blowing mind bullets. Both daemons already hit on 2+ and have ridiculous strength and AP weapons so a -2 to hit REALLY is needed to survive. It won't win portracted fights but at least on the turn he is charged, Russ won't die before he gets to swing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5036613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Primarchs are all effectively materially stable daemons if we want to go into 40K metaphysics. Warp stuff from Molech taken/stolen by the Emperor then put into super human bodies and "programmed" with a part of the Emperor's psyche, if what I understand from Vengeful Spirit is anything to go by. I think to fight a daemon primarch as a loyalist primarch with stats similar to Guilliman, he'll need both the -1/-2 to hit armour AND a mortal wound save to survive either Mortarion's debuff/mortal wound aura, as well as Magnus titan blowing mind bullets. Both daemons already hit on 2+ and have ridiculous strength and AP weapons so a -2 to hit REALLY is needed to survive. It won't win portracted fights but at least on the turn he is charged, Russ won't die before he gets to swing. For sure, I just mean I'd prefer not to have a Magnus sized wolfman cramping my style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5036895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalwolf Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Tonight maybe it will be revealed. Only gw can make me feel like I'm 5 again and it's time to go to bed before Santa arrives. postxhumanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Tonight maybe it will be revealed. Only gw can make me feel like I'm 5 again and it's time to go to bed before Santa arrives. prepare to get mega blocks instead of legos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Come on GW , this reveal has to be russ ... Have faith brothers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Come on GW , this reveal has to be russ ... Have faith brothers I honestly wonder if the reveal is going to be that 8th Edition will remain the current and living rules set until further notice. With some tweaks, such as, the charge through terrain not being properly penalized, as well as LOS issues thereof, and the second apparent big issue, tanks firing from any part of the model, without regard to where the weapons are on the vehicle, there is every reason to do this, bar the previously listed two reasons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Why do we feel there is a reveal tonight? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 21, 2018 Author Share Posted March 21, 2018 Adepticon. This time last year they revealed 8th, so I expect something massive today along the lines of Primarchs, AoS 2.0, Plastic Sisters, etc Jackalwolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Ah, Russ+melee centric Primaris or 13th company SM. Edit:13th company being sized like 1ksons. Edited March 21, 2018 by Jarl Caldersson Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345220-hyped-for-russ-guessing-at-the-rules/page/3/#findComment-5037325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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