Hyped for Russ - guessing at the rules :-)

[Wolf Guard Dan]

There was a chance that they announce it at Adepticon. I'm refreshing the BoLS page to see what they announce. I wish GW was live-streaming this. Would make it so much better.

 

There is a chance that they announce the next Primarch. If it isn't Russ we will end up waiting quite a bit longer

 

Edit: Nope. No Primarch announcement it looks like.

Edited March 22, 2018 by Wolf Guard Dan

[Bulwyf]

I am getting more than a little impatient. We're not even in the next THREE codex to be released. They promised to release all existing armies codex by the anniversary date of 8th and with DE still not released plus what the next three codexes are...I just don' t see how they are keeping that promise.

[postxhumanity]

There was a chance that they announce it at Adepticon. I'm refreshing the BoLS page to see what they announce. I wish GW was live-streaming this. Would make it so much better.

 

There is a chance that they announce the next Primarch. If it isn't Russ we will end up waiting quite a bit longer

 

Edit: Nope. No Primarch announcement it looks like.

 

Let's be fair. Having a new codex release for every army in a single edition is unheard of. There are times when this form--of which I am a big fan--seems like a bunch of people trying to talk themselves into believing that Valve has confrimed Half-Life 3 rather than saying things that correspond to reality. Obviously, all of us are biased to at least some degree in wanting to see new and powerful SW releases.

That needed to be said. Having acknowledged it.....come on GW!

Of the 18 chapters who survived long enough to participate in the Hours Heresy 17 have been acknowledged in codices! Maybe I'm reading too much into this or extrapolating from too small a sample size, but there was a Demon Primarch release in fall 2016 (Magnus), a Loyalist Primarch release in May 2017 (Guilliman), followed by a Demon Primarch in fall 2017 (Mortarion). I think there is a Loyalist Primarch due in May/June 2017! If it's the Lion, then I feel like GW has handled things badly, he should have been released alongside the DA codex. The most logical choice seems to be the one Primarch whose legion has not seen a codex released--the Wolf King, the Lord of Winter and Ruin--Leman Russ!

 

(If GW doesn't give us Russ late this spring or early this summer, then they owe us a bare minimum of an incredibly gorgeous Wolf Priest model.)

[Kasper_Hawser]

patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, patience the wolf time will come, .......

 

Sigh, I've been repeating this mantra ever since the Blood Angels were released end of last year (or was it Dark? can't remember anymore). Nothing we can do really except continue repeating the above mantra.

 

That being said, GW already went back on their previous promise on 2 loyalist primarchs last year to balance out the two daemon primarchs. But to the gaming community as a whole, GW has done the unprecendeted number of codex releases that we really have no right to complain. That being said, from a Space Wolf point of view, it does seem like we're being slighted.

 

Personally, best not to put too much hope. Still, as Jack Reacher says, prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

 

Which I take to mean prepare yourselves for a wolfy Russ and corny updates, but still have a sliver of hope that GW at least gets some stuff right.

[TiguriusX]

 

There was a chance that they announce it at Adepticon. I'm refreshing the BoLS page to see what they announce. I wish GW was live-streaming this. Would make it so much better.

 

There is a chance that they announce the next Primarch. If it isn't Russ we will end up waiting quite a bit longer

 

Edit: Nope. No Primarch announcement it looks like.

 

Let's be fair. Having a new codex release for every army in a single edition is unheard of. There are times when this form--of which I am a big fan--seems like a bunch of people trying to talk themselves into believing that Valve has confrimed Half-Life 3 rather than saying things that correspond to reality. Obviously, all of us are biased to at least some degree in wanting to see new and powerful SW releases.

That needed to be said. Having acknowledged it.....come on GW!

Of the 18 chapters who survived long enough to participate in the Hours Heresy 17 have been acknowledged in codices! Maybe I'm reading too much into this or extrapolating from too small a sample size, but there was a Demon Primarch release in fall 2016 (Magnus), a Loyalist Primarch release in May 2017 (Guilliman), followed by a Demon Primarch in fall 2017 (Mortarion). I think there is a Loyalist Primarch due in May/June 2017! If it's the Lion, then I feel like GW has handled things badly, he should have been released alongside the DA codex. The most logical choice seems to be the one Primarch whose legion has not seen a codex released--the Wolf King, the Lord of Winter and Ruin--Leman Russ!

 

(If GW doesn't give us Russ late this spring or early this summer, then they owe us a bare minimum of an incredibly gorgeous Wolf Priest model.)

 

 

Don't fall for the unexpected hangman paradox and try to guess what is coming

 

A judge tells a condemned prisoner that he will be hanged at noon on one weekday in the following week but that the execution will be a surprise to the prisoner. He will not know the day of the hanging until the executioner knocks on his cell door at noon that day.

 

Having reflected on his sentence, the prisoner draws the conclusion that he will escape from the hanging. His reasoning is in several parts. He begins by concluding that the "surprise hanging" can't be on Friday, as if he hasn't been hanged by Thursday, there is only one day left - and so it won't be a surprise if he's hanged on Friday. Since the judge's sentence stipulated that the hanging would be a surprise to him, he concludes it cannot occur on Friday.

 

He then reasons that the surprise hanging cannot be on Thursday either, because Friday has already been eliminated and if he hasn't been hanged by Wednesday noon, the hanging must occur on Thursday, making a Thursday hanging not a surprise either. By similar reasoning he concludes that the hanging can also not occur on Wednesday, Tuesday or Monday. Joyfully he retires to his cell confident that the hanging will not occur at all.

 

The next week, the executioner knocks on the prisoner's door at noon on Wednesday — which, despite all the above, was an utter surprise to him. Everything the judge said came true.

[postxhumanity]

 

 

There was a chance that they announce it at Adepticon. I'm refreshing the BoLS page to see what they announce. I wish GW was live-streaming this. Would make it so much better.

 

There is a chance that they announce the next Primarch. If it isn't Russ we will end up waiting quite a bit longer

 

Edit: Nope. No Primarch announcement it looks like.

 

Let's be fair. Having a new codex release for every army in a single edition is unheard of. There are times when this form--of which I am a big fan--seems like a bunch of people trying to talk themselves into believing that Valve has confrimed Half-Life 3 rather than saying things that correspond to reality. Obviously, all of us are biased to at least some degree in wanting to see new and powerful SW releases.

That needed to be said. Having acknowledged it.....come on GW!

Of the 18 chapters who survived long enough to participate in the Hours Heresy 17 have been acknowledged in codices! Maybe I'm reading too much into this or extrapolating from too small a sample size, but there was a Demon Primarch release in fall 2016 (Magnus), a Loyalist Primarch release in May 2017 (Guilliman), followed by a Demon Primarch in fall 2017 (Mortarion). I think there is a Loyalist Primarch due in May/June 2017! If it's the Lion, then I feel like GW has handled things badly, he should have been released alongside the DA codex. The most logical choice seems to be the one Primarch whose legion has not seen a codex released--the Wolf King, the Lord of Winter and Ruin--Leman Russ!

 

(If GW doesn't give us Russ late this spring or early this summer, then they owe us a bare minimum of an incredibly gorgeous Wolf Priest model.)

 

 

Don't fall for the unexpected hangman paradox and try to guess what is coming

 

A judge tells a condemned prisoner that he will be hanged at noon on one weekday in the following week but that the execution will be a surprise to the prisoner. He will not know the day of the hanging until the executioner knocks on his cell door at noon that day.

 

Having reflected on his sentence, the prisoner draws the conclusion that he will escape from the hanging. His reasoning is in several parts. He begins by concluding that the "surprise hanging" can't be on Friday, as if he hasn't been hanged by Thursday, there is only one day left - and so it won't be a surprise if he's hanged on Friday. Since the judge's sentence stipulated that the hanging would be a surprise to him, he concludes it cannot occur on Friday.

 

He then reasons that the surprise hanging cannot be on Thursday either, because Friday has already been eliminated and if he hasn't been hanged by Wednesday noon, the hanging must occur on Thursday, making a Thursday hanging not a surprise either. By similar reasoning he concludes that the hanging can also not occur on Wednesday, Tuesday or Monday. Joyfully he retires to his cell confident that the hanging will not occur at all.

 

The next week, the executioner knocks on the prisoner's door at noon on Wednesday — which, despite all the above, was an utter surprise to him. Everything the judge said came true.

 

I can say both of the following statements (because my B.A. is in Philosophy): I can absolutely see the merit of what you're saying, but, it's futile to think that we can predict the future release plans of GW based on our own experience. 

The intentions of GW can never be determined a priori (i.e., prior to experience; a perfectly rational company would probably have not waited two decades to announce plastic Sisters of Battle). That being said/acknowledged, it isn't crazy to expect that there will be a Loyalist Primarch appearing in May or June. Given the fact that all Loyalist codices have been accounted for--apart from the SW--it's far from crazy to predict that the next Loyalist Primarch will be Russ.

Edited March 22, 2018 by postxhumanity

[Guest Triszin]

We aren't in the next 3 releases, death watch are.

 

The longer it takes, the more likely Russ and 13th co are coming.

 

I predict we are this holidays big release. As we now have the releases through may-june announced

[Ishagu]

I'm just hoping he's a Guilliman sized hero and not a gigantic monstrous creature :-D

[greysquigg]

I noticed a re-jig of the GW space pups page earlier on, a few of the entries went missing. Couldn't name what has gone missing but that might lead me to believe there could be an announcement a little sooner than we think.

[postxhumanity]

 

 

 

There was a chance that they announce it at Adepticon. I'm refreshing the BoLS page to see what they announce. I wish GW was live-streaming this. Would make it so much better.

 

There is a chance that they announce the next Primarch. If it isn't Russ we will end up waiting quite a bit longer

 

Edit: Nope. No Primarch announcement it looks like.

 

Let's be fair. Having a new codex release for every army in a single edition is unheard of. There are times when this form--of which I am a big fan--seems like a bunch of people trying to talk themselves into believing that Valve has confrimed Half-Life 3 rather than saying things that correspond to reality. Obviously, all of us are biased to at least some degree in wanting to see new and powerful SW releases.

That needed to be said. Having acknowledged it.....come on GW!

Of the 18 chapters who survived long enough to participate in the Hours Heresy 17 have been acknowledged in codices! Maybe I'm reading too much into this or extrapolating from too small a sample size, but there was a Demon Primarch release in fall 2016 (Magnus), a Loyalist Primarch release in May 2017 (Guilliman), followed by a Demon Primarch in fall 2017 (Mortarion). I think there is a Loyalist Primarch due in May/June 2017! If it's the Lion, then I feel like GW has handled things badly, he should have been released alongside the DA codex. The most logical choice seems to be the one Primarch whose legion has not seen a codex released--the Wolf King, the Lord of Winter and Ruin--Leman Russ!

 

(If GW doesn't give us Russ late this spring or early this summer, then they owe us a bare minimum of an incredibly gorgeous Wolf Priest model.)

 

 

Don't fall for the unexpected hangman paradox and try to guess what is coming

 

A judge tells a condemned prisoner that he will be hanged at noon on one weekday in the following week but that the execution will be a surprise to the prisoner. He will not know the day of the hanging until the executioner knocks on his cell door at noon that day.

 

Having reflected on his sentence, the prisoner draws the conclusion that he will escape from the hanging. His reasoning is in several parts. He begins by concluding that the "surprise hanging" can't be on Friday, as if he hasn't been hanged by Thursday, there is only one day left - and so it won't be a surprise if he's hanged on Friday. Since the judge's sentence stipulated that the hanging would be a surprise to him, he concludes it cannot occur on Friday.

 

He then reasons that the surprise hanging cannot be on Thursday either, because Friday has already been eliminated and if he hasn't been hanged by Wednesday noon, the hanging must occur on Thursday, making a Thursday hanging not a surprise either. By similar reasoning he concludes that the hanging can also not occur on Wednesday, Tuesday or Monday. Joyfully he retires to his cell confident that the hanging will not occur at all.

 

The next week, the executioner knocks on the prisoner's door at noon on Wednesday — which, despite all the above, was an utter surprise to him. Everything the judge said came true.

 

I can say both of the following statements (because my B.A. is in Philosophy): I can absolutely see the merit of what you're saying, but, it's futile to think that we can predict the future release plans of GW based on our own experience. 

The intentions of GW can never be determined a priori (i.e., prior to experience; a perfectly rational company would probably have not waited two decades to announce plastic Sisters of Battle). That being said/acknowledged, it isn't crazy to expect that there will be a Loyalist Primarch appearing in May or June. Given the fact that all Loyalist codices have been accounted for--apart from the SW--it's far from crazy to predict that the next Loyalist Primarch will be Russ.

 

 

'I can say this because my B.A. is in philosophy'...'a priori'...wow, this message was overwritten. I hope it was clear that the arrogant tone of it was meant to be playful. Don't drink and type kids. Not even after your army gets snubbed at the biggest trade show of the year.

[Bulwyf]

We aren't in the next 3 releases, death watch are.

 

The longer it takes, the more likely Russ and 13th co are coming.

 

I predict we are this holidays big release. As we now have the releases through may-june announced

 

I hope it is not that long. They promised last year to have all existing armies updated with a new codex by the time 8th edition anniversary rolled around in 2018. I don't  see how they can keep that promise with the next four...FOUR codexes all going to other places.

It stopped being uncomfortable playing people with OP level 8th codex with our SW months ago and now we have to wait until...when, exactly? to even field a truly competitive list in 8th.

[Guest Triszin]

 

We aren't in the next 3 releases, death watch are.

 

The longer it takes, the more likely Russ and 13th co are coming.

 

I predict we are this holidays big release. As we now have the releases through may-june announced

 

I hope it is not that long. They promised last year to have all existing armies updated with a new codex by the time 8th edition anniversary rolled around in 2018. I don't  see how they can keep that promise with the next four...FOUR codexes all going to other places.

It stopped being uncomfortable playing people with OP level 8th codex with our SW months ago and now we have to wait until...when, exactly? to even field a truly competitive list in 8th.

 

the longer we wait, that usually means the dex is getting something.

 

Orks are rumored fall and getting a big update to go wiht

[Guest]

I'm just hoping he's a Guilliman sized hero and not a gigantic monstrous creature :-D

People keep saying he needs to be a Wulfen in order to take on a Daemon Primarch. No loyal primarch should be able to take on a Traitor Primarch. The traitor Primarch sacrificed themselves to the Chaos Gods in order to gain power and strength at the cost of their freedom and their sons. The loyalists remained loyal to the Emperor who can no longer imbue them with powers, however they have freedom of choice and their sons plus the imperium to support them. They have to learn to out think and tactically best their fallen brothers as they can't stand up to them 1v1. They are also the heroes of them Imperium and imagine if Russ came back as a big Wulfen, people would take him as a traitor. Guilliman would be forced to put Russ in the basement and only let him out in secret while no one watched.

[Kasper_Hawser]

 

I'm just hoping he's a Guilliman sized hero and not a gigantic monstrous creature :-D

People keep saying he needs to be a Wulfen in order to take on a Daemon Primarch. No loyal primarch should be able to take on a Traitor Primarch. The traitor Primarch sacrificed themselves to the Chaos Gods in order to gain power and strength at the cost of their freedom and their sons. The loyalists remained loyal to the Emperor who can no longer imbue them with powers, however they have freedom of choice and their sons plus the imperium to support them. They have to learn to out think and tactically best their fallen brothers as they can't stand up to them 1v1. They are also the heroes of them Imperium and imagine if Russ came back as a big Wulfen, people would take him as a traitor. Guilliman would be forced to put Russ in the basement and only let him out in secret while no one watched.

 

 

Well I didn't say he NEEDS it, its just that with the changes to WS, BS and wounding mechanics, its going to take something fairly radical for a 9 wound primarch to take on a 20+ wound daemon primarch farting mortal wounds and psychic bullets. As mentioned, the only thing I can think off that can give him an edge is the -1 or -2 to wound in CC. Even then, WS2+ characters will still hit him on 4+ which is reasonable especially when those guys normally have rerolls. And for a Nurgle person, Mortarion has an insane amount of attacks.

 

But yeah, I really want Russ to be sane and not just be a "beast in the basement" for Guilliman. That would really be insulting, turning Space Wolves into literal attack dogs again subject to the Smurfs whims and fancies (however noble) instead of an equal and proud defender of the Imperium, or rather humanity.

 

I'm sure he picked up more tricks travelling in the past 10K years. Even if it is just trolling nurgle villagers constantly in the warp ala Text to speech version. (seriously though, why did they come up with a scottish accent for Russ, I don't know. OH well, still hilariously funny). 

[Guest]

 

 

I'm just hoping he's a Guilliman sized hero and not a gigantic monstrous creature :-D

 

People keep saying he needs to be a Wulfen in order to take on a Daemon Primarch. No loyal primarch should be able to take on a Traitor Primarch. The traitor Primarch sacrificed themselves to the Chaos Gods in order to gain power and strength at the cost of their freedom and their sons. The loyalists remained loyal to the Emperor who can no longer imbue them with powers, however they have freedom of choice and their sons plus the imperium to support them. They have to learn to out think and tactically best their fallen brothers as they can't stand up to them 1v1. They are also the heroes of them Imperium and imagine if Russ came back as a big Wulfen, people would take him as a traitor. Guilliman would be forced to put Russ in the basement and only let him out in secret while no one watched.

 

Well I didn't say he NEEDS it, its just that with the changes to WS, BS and wounding mechanics, its going to take something fairly radical for a 9 wound primarch to take on a 20+ wound daemon primarch farting mortal wounds and psychic bullets. As mentioned, the only thing I can think off that can give him an edge is the -1 or -2 to wound in CC. Even then, WS2+ characters will still hit him on 4+ which is reasonable especially when those guys normally have rerolls. And for a Nurgle person, Mortarion has an insane amount of attacks.

 

But yeah, I really want Russ to be sane and not just be a "beast in the basement" for Guilliman. That would really be insulting, turning Space Wolves into literal attack dogs again subject to the Smurfs whims and fancies (however noble) instead of an equal and proud defender of the Imperium, or rather humanity.

 

I'm sure he picked up more tricks travelling in the past 10K years. Even if it is just trolling nurgle villagers constantly in the warp ala Text to speech version. (seriously though, why did they come up with a scottish accent for Russ, I don't know. OH well, still hilariously funny).

Wasn't talking about you but reddit and dakka.

[Kasper_Hawser]

@ Calderson - I know you probably weren't referring to me, although I and a few others on B&C did voice out that Russ needs "MAY" need a Wulfen form of some kind to take on a Daemon Primarch.

 

And with the introduction of Morathi, a dual kit/form with the same character sounds plausible, if not insulting to those of us who are pro-viking instead of pro-werewolf aspect of Space Wolves. This would actually have the affect of satisfying both sides. The ones who are pro wulfen get their loyalist daemon prince, the ones who are pro-viking will be happy enough with the return of viking primarch.

 

(note, I use the term pro-wulfen and pro-viking very loosely, no offence to everyone with their own perceptions of Space Wolves)

 

On a more amusing/sad side, there was a point in my 40K life when I was most depressed and resigned myself to playing an army of "Team Jakob" instead of space vikings. Only back in 8th edition I've determined to myself to being a proud Scandinavian/Slavic/Rus wannabe in space. Even then, I'm slowly being persuaded by my meta to start using characters on Thunderwolves again, if only as counter assault units.

[Karack Blackstone]

@ Calderson - I know you probably weren't referring to me, although I and a few others on B&C did voice out that Russ needs "MAY" need a Wulfen form of some kind to take on a Daemon Primarch.

 

And with the introduction of Morathi, a dual kit/form with the same character sounds plausible, if not insulting to those of us who are pro-viking instead of pro-werewolf aspect of Space Wolves. This would actually have the affect of satisfying both sides. The ones who are pro wulfen get their loyalist daemon prince, the ones who are pro-viking will be happy enough with the return of viking primarch.

 

(note, I use the term pro-wulfen and pro-viking very loosely, no offence to everyone with their own perceptions of Space Wolves)

 

On a more amusing/sad side, there was a point in my 40K life when I was most depressed and resigned myself to playing an army of "Team Jakob" instead of space vikings. Only back in 8th edition I've determined to myself to being a proud Scandinavian/Slavic/Rus wannabe in space. Even then, I'm slowly being persuaded by my meta to start using characters on Thunderwolves again, if only as counter assault units.

You define you.

 

Use what units you need to win, and find the justification at your leisure. Hell, the Space Wolf and Thunderwold can talk it out. If anyone gets any funny ideas, remind them of the proud Wolves’ history in the informal fluff of wenching, and that the Wolves are the single most likely Loyal Chapter to want women to fight alongside and as one of them!