allegedlynerdy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'm thinking about doing some vanguard vets without Jumppacks. Is this an absolutely crazy ideaz or might it work? I'm thinking giving them powerswords and stormahields, basically just a tough unit for charging ahead of weaker but heavier hitting squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margulix Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I used a squad in LRC with helbrecht (Hammers and sheild), and these guys are powerful because of T10 hammers and rerolls. I'm thinking about 2 squads in LRC of those for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I magnetised the backpacks on mine. ONDIG and Firepower 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 They do die a bit easily if they're on foot. Probably gonna try them with a Rhino at some point, myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 You can run multiple Command Squads of two and get free attacks from the additional Veteran Sergeants as long as you've got Elite slots to spare. They've got the same weapon options as Vanguard Vets anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
allegedlynerdy Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 You can run multiple Command Squads of two and get free attacks from the additional Veteran Sergeants as long as you've got Elite slots to spare. They've got the same weapon options as Vanguard Vets anyway. That would be, for 25 extra points, you get a lookout sir, and 3 extra attacks. Might be worth it if you have the space. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Honestly if you are doing a shield/sword setup, I’d do something like 3-4 Swords Bros, 2-3 Chain/Shield Bros, 2-3 ChainBros. Mostly because there is little reason to stack upgrades in that way*. *How large of a Squad are you doing? My answer more applied to Squad in 10 Man range. Where you’d rather have a of the third Squad with Chain/Shield, one third to half with Sword/Pistol and remaining be naked to take non AP modifying shots Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
allegedlynerdy Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I was thinking around 4-5 man, depending on if I did vanguard of company command. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 While not competitive in a tournament environment, I believe that Vanguards are on principle the go-to choice for a melee units. Swords and shields are very thematic, personally I would probably go with different wargear, though. But I'll definitely want some transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5031960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 Man Squads Squads, Hammer or Counter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'm thinking about doing some vanguard vets without Jumppacks. Is this an absolutely crazy ideaz or might it work? I'm thinking giving them powerswords and stormahields, basically just a tough unit for charging ahead of weaker but heavier hitting squads. Very cool unit. Take them in a rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'm thinking about doing some vanguard vets without Jumppacks. Is this an absolutely crazy ideaz or might it work? I'm thinking giving them powerswords and stormahields, basically just a tough unit for charging ahead of weaker but heavier hitting squads. I wouldn't take them with all shields, or even all swords. They will die just as easily to anti infantry fire with or without shields. Instead I'd take just a couple of shields to tank heavier shots that come their way. For swords I'd take advantage of chainswords as well giving them +1 or even +2 attacks(if you take two chainswords) to their base of 2. Weight of attacks is important in CC now because of the loss of charging bonus and extra CCW bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
allegedlynerdy Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Hmm, doing some checking, I'm thinking: Sergeant, Powersword Stormshield 3x Stormshield Chainsword Stormshield Thunderhammer Any thoughts on that? Also, anyone know anywhere to get Templar shields? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Too many storm shields, I'd take 2 max. Check out the BT resource thread for a link to the Alternative Bitz thread for shields Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'm hoping that by September for my next Apoc game I will be able to fit 20 double chainsword wielding vanguard veterans Sword Brethren, an Ironclad and a Contemptor into a Mastodon. Shock & Awe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
allegedlynerdy Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Too many storm shields, I'd take 2 max. That was my original thought, however, I'm crafting a 1250 list for a team tournament, and I had 18 pts to spare, and can't think of anything much better to put in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Too many storm shields, I'd take 2 max. Check out the BT resource thread for a link to the Alternative Bitz thread for shields In close combat - its always better to have big squads to sourround the enemies and strikes hard with as many attacks possilbe. So i would take 10 guys 4 guys with swords, 4 guys with shields and 2 for normal casulties... but in terms of style - take them all with storm shields and then half with words/chainswords ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Too many storm shields, I'd take 2 max. That was my original thought, however, I'm crafting a 1250 list for a team tournament, and I had 18 pts to spare, and can't think of anything much better to put in. Take a relic blade instead of a power sword on the sgt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
allegedlynerdy Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'm thinking about running them as company vets now...get a lookout sir to keep the EC alive better, and they are otherwise the same, save the ability to get the relic blade... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345235-vanguard-vets-without-jumppacks/#findComment-5032867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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